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EnjoyingLife enthusiast Posts 370 |
05-01-12 12:33 PM - Post#148720
I'm sure there are people who read and post in this forum with kids who are currently playing in ASA football or have recently. It's been known for a while now that the current football commissioner, who also recently ran for Mayor, tends to change the rules to favor himself. Part of the problem is that he's also a head coach in the same league! Talk about a conflict of interest! This spring, ASA tried to start up a new "select" football league. Unfortunately, there wasn't enough participation to form enough teams so the league was cancelled. However, a new select team was formed, headed up by the ASA football commissioner himself, which then joined up with another select league. ASA has always had a standing rule that states if you leave ASA to join a select football program, the only way you can rejoin ASA football is via the draft or return to the same ASA team you last played for. You cannot be recruited by another ASA team. This rule is in place trying to keep a competitive balance across the league. The players on the commish's new select team are essentially the All-Star players from across the ASA D5 league, soon to be D6. The top athletes from almost every team are playing on this select team. These same players will have to return to their old team but apparently the commish would like to keep this team together as they move into D6 ASA football! So guess what...the rule will be changed. The new rule will state that if you leave for a select team, you can return to your "old" team, enter the draft OR be freely recruited by any other team!!! That means the commish can keep his select team and play in the ASA D6 league leaving all the other ASA football teams without their best players! Sorry but you needed some history...Now, there are 3 or 4 coaches who will have D6 teams this fall that are about to bolt for another city league knowing the commish is again changing the rules to favor himself. With having only 1 year remaining with ASA, the coaches would like to be on a level playing field knowing they'll at least have a chance to be competitive. Another team, the Wild Dawgs, have already disbanded from ASA and moving to McKinney! Everyone else will be following soon leaving ASA with 2 or 3 teams for this years D6 season! That's 75% of the teams leaving all for one reason, corruption! It's a shame the commissioner has forgotten why we have our kids playing sports! That it's not about winning at all costs! True sportsmanship is apparently a lost spirit with ASA football! |
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ChrisH enthusiast Posts 374 |
05-01-12 01:54 PM - Post#148732
Oh the stories I could tell. I wont though, I will just say that if you want your kid to have an enjoyable football experience (you too as parents) get as far away from ASA as possible. Preferrably, find a select team. If you want the kids to stick together, then find a select team for them all, create a select team, or move them to another city league. As I have seen though, most city leagues are as corrupt as ASA. |
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Allenite enthusiast Posts 302 |
05-01-12 02:54 PM - Post#148738
It's too bad that the football program has morphed into this. As much as I hate to hear people say, "Why don't they do it the way WE used to do it...", I think I'll have to make that statement. When my kids played ASA, the structure was much different. There was ONE governing board, which was comprised of the one commissioner from each sport. Each commissioner was elected by the entire body of ASA parents at the annual meeting. Secondly; football & baseball (other sports too, I think) had a draft each season. The only players who were "protected" were the coaches' sons/daughters. Each season, every team was NEW. At the time, many parents complained about this, but the kids really liked the system. It allowed them to play with a new group each year, getting to know athletes from around town, who they would eventually go to high school with. Another rule that I remember football had to abide by was that EVERY player was to have a starting position. Either defense or offense, no matter, but a starter nonetheless. I don't know why or when things changed, but I'm sorry that the new system isn't fun or fair. Perhaps parents can try to work the governing board to make a change.... Good luck! |
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Abby enthusiast Posts 122 |
05-01-12 03:24 PM - Post#148741
I know nothing of ASA football but ... how can one individual have so much control. Maybe it is time for parents to step 'help' the process. |
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EnjoyingLife enthusiast Posts 370 |
05-01-12 03:56 PM - Post#148742
Not too hard to control things when most of the Directors of each grade level are friends of his who are nothing but yes men! I agree, it's time that parents and coaches take a stand and demand changes. One way to do that is leave ASA for good and that movement has already started. |
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hollowel enthusiast Posts 138 |
05-01-12 04:03 PM - Post#148743
We just finished with D6 football and had a complaint this year about another team using a select player. We were told that only applies if they play select in the fall that spring select players are allowed. This fine gentlemen you are talking about then belittled our coaches for being cry babies and for being on a witch hunt. We even went to his boss and showed him the emails he sent to our coaches but fell on deaf ears. It's a shame that ASA has turned out the way it is but if the top dog let's him get away with it not sure how you can change it unless enough teams leave and hurt them in the pocketbook. |
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Sammy24 newbie Posts 5 |
05-01-12 05:58 PM - Post#148747
If you feel so strongly about making a stand and changing things, why then do you suggest everyone to run away? Is that the message you want to send to your children? Do we want to teach the future generations that when things are difficult and we don’t agree with what is being done, the best thing to do is run? To me that doesn’t really solve anything and certainly doesn’t address the core of your complaint. I'm all about everyone's right to complain, but I also believe very strongly when one decides to exercise that right there is some responsibility to act that comes along with that complaint, otherwise you are only creating noise! It's so easy to hide behind the cloak of the Internet and post demeaning statements about how our own paradigms seem to be in direct opposition to someone else's. Which again, I think is great and it's what makes this country what it is. What I fail to understand is the person who does the "run by complaint", meaning they complain about everything and then run away waiting for another opportunity to point fingers at those that are trying to make a difference. If your feelings are so strong and you have documented evidence to support your claims of corruption, by you not acting, are you not just as guilty??? Now is a time of action…….. |
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Sammy24 newbie Posts 5 |
05-01-12 06:08 PM - Post#148749
If you truly believe that all members of the board, are, as you say, "yes men" - I challenge you to step up, dedicate some of your time as a volunteer and see for yourself - I can promise you that the reality you experience as a volunteer will be in direct opposition to your current perception. Who knows, you might just make a difference........ |
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vm7mm enthusiast Posts 1381 |
05-01-12 06:47 PM - Post#148756
It's not just football that may be corrupt, baseball is not much better either. I coached baseball for many years with ASA while my kids were growing up and one year I was never able to get money paid back to our team that was overpaid to ASA. They always had an excuse every time I went there to get it. Everyone on the team decided we would use the money to go to a Roughrider's game. I took our whole team to a Roughrider's game with my own money (for tickets) thinking ASA was going to pay back our team the money it owed to us, several hundred dollars. I finally gave up trying to get it. 
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iClaudius newbie Posts 16 |
05-01-12 08:08 PM - Post#148765
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Allenite enthusiast Posts 302 |
05-01-12 08:50 PM - Post#148770
The defensive posts by iclaudius tell me a lot... (Me thinks thou doest protest too much) |
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mcollins45 member Posts 45 |
05-01-12 11:43 PM - Post#148777
It should be about the kids and not about winning that would be as bad as someone who lets their child fall out a window or gets arrested for unlawful carrying of a weapon.
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05-01-12 11:47 PM - Post#148778
Folks, Everyone please return to the original topic. Please stop the personal attacks or this thread will be closed. Thank you, Web 
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Allenite enthusiast Posts 302 |
05-01-12 11:51 PM - Post#148779
Webmaster, did you remove some posts? I can no longer see them. |
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05-02-12 12:39 AM - Post#148788
Webmaster, did you remove some posts? I can no longer see them.
Webmaster, did you remove some posts? I can no longer see them. Yes I did. I removed the personal attacks and the replies to these attacks. Sorry I know it breaks the continuity of the discussion. It was that or close the topic completely which I am trying not to do.
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ChrisH enthusiast Posts 374 |
05-02-12 07:14 AM - Post#148789
If you feel so strongly about making a stand and changing things, why then do you suggest everyone to run away? Is that the message you want to send to your children? Do we want to teach the future generations that when things are difficult and we don’t agree with what is being done, the best thing to do is run? To me that doesn’t really solve anything and certainly doesn’t address the core of your complaint. I'm all about everyone's right to complain, but I also believe very strongly when one decides to exercise that right there is some responsibility to act that comes along with that complaint, otherwise you are only creating noise! It's so easy to hide behind the cloak of the Internet and post demeaning statements about how our own paradigms seem to be in direct opposition to someone else's. Which again, I think is great and it's what makes this country what it is. What I fail to understand is the person who does the "run by complaint", meaning they complain about everything and then run away waiting for another opportunity to point fingers at those that are trying to make a difference. If your feelings are so strong and you have documented evidence to support your claims of corruption, by you not acting, are you not just as guilty??? Now is a time of action…….. I was on the board prior to the new commisioner. The teams were all school based and you couldnt pick and choose your players. My wife also joined the ethics committee because she had seen the things he was doing as a coach and we had both hoped that by us joining the board and committee that it would change his behavior. It got worse. Nobody was allowed to "apply" or vote on the new commisioner, he was just put in place. I volunteered to take the job and mentioned a vote for the position. It fell on deaf ears. Later, we went in as a large group to try and make changes for the better and try to bring to light the type of person they were putting in charge. Yes, I have more knowledge about this person than most because my son was forced to be on his team due to the school he attended and I assisted coaching with him for multiple years in multiple sports due to my son being on his teams. The current commisioner proceeded to re-write all of the rules based off the information we provided. He made certain to include all of our complaints into new rules designed to protect himself and the way he wanted to run things. We also had another issue with coaches. We had some coaches take a team out of ASA and move them to another city due to the new commissioner. The team tried to come back and he wrote the rules so that the coaches and team could not come back into the league but made certain to write them in such a way that he could come back in and coach the league after he split up a team and moved them to another city. So he basically did the exact same thing but was able to walk right back into the league with the same players because he didnt take an entire team. Instead he hand picked numerous kids from the team and then just dumped the other kids on the team. The team and coaches that wanted to come back had been together since flag and were originally placed on the team based on the school. They were all Allen kids and wanted to stay together. It was not allowed and the kids would be forced into a draft situation if they decided to play in ASA again. The coaches were banned from coaching in ASA for taking players out of ASA, even though the commisoner had done the exact same thing. The current board has to be "yes" men or else he would find a way to kick them off the board. I have seen him do this to an assistant coach who asked him during a game why he hadnt put his son in to play. After the game, he was in the huddle with the kids and just flat out told them that the coach was fired and would no longer be helping him. No explanation, no warning. |
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Sammy24 newbie Posts 5 |
05-02-12 08:32 AM - Post#148802
Since you are a former ASA Football board member, you know that the commissioner (from any sport) cannot just re-write rules on a whim to satisfy his/her own ambitions. You also know that when the board puts forward new rules, changes and/or amendments, they MUST be approved by the competition committee. And of course you know that the competition committee is comprised of a group of volunteers who have no association with football and are tasked with ensuring the rules and guidelines set forth are equitable for all, regardless of sport. Oh and you also are aware that the executive director of the ASA is an active participant in all competition committee meetings as well, who again is not directly impacted by just football, but has an active interest in all sports. I’m left to draw one of two conclusions, 1. The current football commissioner is the most powerful person in the ASA and can command everyone to do as he says, or…… 2. The arguments, as presented have a few; shall we call them……holes? For whatever reason, the above mentioned facts didn’t seem to make the “cut”! Either way, when one decides to point fingers and challenge the integrity of another, especially in a public forum, one should be responsible enough to present a full array of facts not just hearsay and perception. |
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ChrisH enthusiast Posts 374 |
05-02-12 09:12 AM - Post#148804
Since you are a former ASA Football board member, you know that the commissioner (from any sport) cannot just re-write rules on a whim to satisfy his/her own ambitions. You also know that when the board puts forward new rules, changes and/or amendments, they MUST be approved by the competition committee. And of course you know that the competition committee is comprised of a group of volunteers who have no association with football and are tasked with ensuring the rules and guidelines set forth are equitable for all, regardless of sport. Oh and you also are aware that the executive director of the ASA is an active participant in all competition committee meetings as well, who again is not directly impacted by just football, but has an active interest in all sports. I’m left to draw one of two conclusions, 1. The current football commissioner is the most powerful person in the ASA and can command everyone to do as he says, or…… 2. The arguments, as presented have a few; shall we call them……holes? For whatever reason, the above mentioned facts didn’t seem to make the “cut”! Either way, when one decides to point fingers and challenge the integrity of another, especially in a public forum, one should be responsible enough to present a full array of facts not just hearsay and perception. You should know that everything you beleive occurs within ASA and the competition committee is just cheap window dressing. They will bend whatever needs to be bent in order to keep money rolling in. In order to keep money rolling in, they have to keep people playing the sports. In order to keep people playing the sports, they have to have someone willing to be in charge. The current commissioner was placed into the position without any notification to anyone that the spot was open for candidates. Rules were bent then and they are bent now. As I have seen in the past and in the present, the commisoners of each sport have alot more pull in regards to what they want done and not everything goes through the competition committee. What you believe you know, what the rules state should occur, is not what happens. I saw the rules bent an broken and written without going through the competition committee first hand. If you dont believe that the commissioner from each sport has the ability to change/ammend/write rules as they see fit without the consent of any committee, then you need to volunteer for the competition committee and watch it first hand. |
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ChrisH enthusiast Posts 374 |
05-02-12 09:35 AM - Post#148806
I am not going to continue to discuss the situation with people who have not served and do not have first hand knowledge of how ASA and the boards work. I am not going to continue to try and convince anyone just how corrupt the board is and the lack of integrity the commissioner has. It is not really worth my time. All I can say is, if you want to have an enjoyable football experience for both the kids and the families, then fing some other league to participate in. |
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Sammy24 newbie Posts 5 |
 05-02-12 09:58 AM - Post#148808
I guess we will have to agree to disagree - If the all-powerful football commissioner and the cheap window dressing (you call the competition committee) are only in it to ensure they get their own, the thousands and thousands of kids that participate in ASA sports each year would suggest they are doing something right, would it not? Or are they all disillusioned amid a few "enlightened" residents? Has the zombie apocalypse arrived and I just didn't realize? |
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ChrisH enthusiast Posts 374 |
05-02-12 10:08 AM - Post#148809
I guess we will have to agree to disagree - If the all-powerful football commissioner and the cheap window dressing (you call the competition committee) are only in it to ensure they get their own, the thousands and thousands of kids that participate in ASA sports each year would suggest they are doing something right, would it not? Or are they all disillusioned amid a few "enlightened" residents? Has the zombie apocalypse arrived and I just didn't realize? I am not saying everything is wrong with ASA, although I have seen hints and suggestions of issues from other sports, all I know is what I saw first hand and what I personally know about the current comissioner of football. I know how he works, how he thinks, how he manipultes, and the lack of integrity he has. I know this because as stated earlier, I coached with him in multiple sports for multiple years, I was on the board and saw the inner workings, I saw how the rules were changed in a matter of a day to suit his needs, and I saw the way he treated people who had a different opinion then his own. All I know is what I had first hand knowledge of and what I am seeing occur now. As I stated back when I volunteered to be the commisioner or to allow it to go to vote, I dont believe a commisioner should be allowed to coach a team in the league. This is the only way to keep personal interest out. "he thousands and thousands of kids that participate in ASA sports each year would suggest they are doing something right," Since so many teams and kids leave ASA football, wouldnt that also indicate that they are doing something wrong? Again, not talking about basktball,hockey, soccer, etc... we are talking about 1 sport with a history of teams leaving because of the actions of the football commissioner and the board. There is proof of rules being written to benefit the current commissioner. |
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EnjoyingLife enthusiast Posts 370 |
05-02-12 10:14 AM - Post#148810
Thank you ChrisH, I couldn't have said it any better! Fact...the rule about leaving for a select team has been in place for several years. If you leave ASA for a select team and if you want to return to ASA, you MUST enter the draft, no exceptions. I know of a specific player who has played on a select team for the last 2 seasons, including the commissioners current select team. According to my resources, which I will NOT mention in this forum nor to anyone else for obvious reasons, this player has already been recruited by the commissioner to play on his team this fall in the D6 ASA league! Well, according to the rules, this player MUST enter the draft. Now lets talk about the "rules"...registration opened yesterday. The rules for ALL football leagues are supposed to be posted online the day registration opens. Guess what, NO RULES as of today. The only rules you can download are the flag football rules. Reason why is because the commissioner is trying to change the rules for his own benefit. The commissioner has also been calling the other coaches in the D6 league letting them know that he's changing the rules. There are several very influential coaches that don't want to have any part of this because they know it's cheating. They know the commissioner is trying to stack his team unfairly. As I stated earlier, one of the better teams in the league has already pulled out and there are a few others coaches from other teams already speaking to the parents about heading to another league. Trust me...all of us coaches talk to each other. We all know what's going on and we've all complained but yet nothing changes. Parents have also complained for years via the annual ASA parent/coaches survey. At this point, all we can do is speak to our parents about leaving ASA because ASA won't listen! We D6 parents/coaches only have one last season before middle school. Most of these kids will NEVER play football again. Why should we expose ourselves to a league that unfairly allows teams to stack the best of the best who will do nothing but beat the heck out of everyone else? How much fun will that be for our kids? |
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cp enthusiast Posts 197 |
05-02-12 10:30 AM - Post#148811
I guess we will have to agree to disagree - If the all-powerful football commissioner and the cheap window dressing (you call the competition committee) are only in it to ensure they get their own, the thousands and thousands of kids that participate in ASA sports each year would suggest they are doing something right, would it not? Or are they all disillusioned amid a few "enlightened" residents? Has the zombie apocalypse arrived and I just didn't realize? Agree to disagree? You haven't disclosed your affiliation with the ASA. ChrisH has. They indicate they've served on the board. Have you? Why attempt to discredit their first-hand account? I saw no indication of emotional persuasion from them, yet you come in trying to discredit someone's experience. If you have first-hand experience or knowledge of the sitauation mentioned above, then by all means provide it. Don't take stabs at discrediting someone's story otherwise, especially if they've provided in-depth details about their experience. As for the other "thousands and thousands", maybe the parents of those kids are just a bunch of "yes men" who don't want to ruffle any feathers by saying something. Maybe there's intimidation from the leadership not to say anything. I suppose if more of those thousands and thousands of parents realize what's going on, maybe we'll see more responses to this thread... BTW, I have no interactions with the ASA. I'm simply responding to the flow of this thread...
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mcollins45 member Posts 45 |
05-02-12 10:43 AM - Post#148813
I think someone needs to check the source of their information because it is not correct. My daughter cheers in ASA and I talked to a cheer board member and the fact is that no football recruiting rules have changed. The Commissioner and another 3 all from different teams put together a select team for the spring and all the players on that team have to go back to their regular team and can not change teams. I was also told that the commissioners team is always full and he does not have room to recruit players. I am very confident that when the rules are put up there will be several that should man up and do the right thing and come on here and say that they were wrong and assumed way too much. I doubt that will happen because it is far too easy to sit behind a computer and talk a lot of slander. Oh and the girls that are assigned to cheer for the boys in the 6th grade say there is only one team that left.
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iClaudius newbie Posts 16 |
05-02-12 10:51 AM - Post#148814
Wait, there it is, in the distance, the dawning light of truth. It certainly will put a damper on all of the rumor mongering (directed at nobody in particular WM...only the opinions) MCollins is preaching what the Lord loves to hear. Hey Sammy24, I think you're onto something too. With all of the mindless unfocused rage, this is a lot like the zombie apocalypse. It's scary. Wait for it. Here comes a breaking news story to dispel these "opinions". |
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iClaudius newbie Posts 16 |
05-02-12 11:13 AM - Post#148815
Dee Dee DeeedeeedeedeeeDeeeeee. That's a telegraph machine working away. This just in "there has not been a single change to any of the recruiting or team formation rules for the 2012 season and they are exactly as they have been for at least the last 3 years" Stop. With the wealth of info at the disposal of your opinion, this should be easy to corroborate. |
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iClaudius newbie Posts 16 |
05-02-12 11:24 AM - Post#148816
Somebody turn up the volume. The silence is deafening. |
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mcollins45 member Posts 45 |
05-02-12 11:34 AM - Post#148817
That awkward moment when you were given or even created alot of information that was not true and you went out (or someone wanted you to be the one they knew would go out and that is why they told you ) and cry the sky is falling and it all ends up being wrong. Insert cricket chirping noise here. This could be worthy of a double face palm.
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EnjoyingLife enthusiast Posts 370 |
05-02-12 11:47 AM - Post#148818
I never said the rules WERE changed. I said the commissioner is again trying...the word there is TRYING...to change the rules yet again to benefit his own team. I know exactly what's going on and so do the other coaches in the league who are fed up! These same coaches I speak of received a phone call directly from the commissioner who did nothing but attack most of them when they didn't agree with his logic. I doubt someone on the "cheer board" knows what's going on. For the sake of the kids, parents and coaches in the league who want the league to remain a RECREATIONAL LEAGUE, I hope the ASA rules committee puts a stop to it and doesn't allow a change to the rule. BUT, as most of us who are actually INVOLVED with the league have witnessed, all of his other rule changes have been allowed even when complaints were loud and clear. Think whatever you want, say whatever you want. You won't hurt my feelings even if what you say is childish (directed at nobody in particular). |
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ChrisH enthusiast Posts 374 |
05-02-12 12:06 PM - Post#148820
Just back from lunch. I never said the rules were being changed, I did give my first hand accounts of how the rules WERE CHANGED in the past to suit his needs. I have personally talked to 2 different team coaches and numerous parents who are looking for a different league to be in this fall and I wont mention the grade level. I know of several teams in the past who have left as well as dozens of kids whos parents have pulled them from ASA football because of the actions of the commissioner. I love disputing my first hand knowledge with people who have no true insight to the person, the position, or the organization in which they are trying to dispute. |
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mcollins45 member Posts 45 |
05-02-12 12:09 PM - Post#148821
No you pretty much said the rule will be changed. Here is what you wrote. "So guess what...the rule will be changed. The new rule will state that if you leave for a select team, you can return to your "old" team, enter the draft OR be freely recruited by any other team!!! That means the commish can keep his select team and play in the ASA D6 league leaving all the other ASA football teams without their best players!" You were given bad information and came on here and proclaimed to everyone who reads this that it is changing and that there is widespread corruption when in fact no rules have changed. The others who spend all their time obsessed about what is the commissioner doing where is he what is he up to that seem to want to be him also came on here and agreed with you. I tried to get a new Cadillac but my husband so no I still have my 2010 Cadillac because I tried to get one does not mean I have one and if the commissioner did try and change a rule it looks like there are things and people in place to prevent bad rule changes so the system works. A lot of times when people who are not informed complain there is no reason to change anything because no issue exists except for with the people complaining. Do you have any specific examples of rules that were changed at anytime only to benefit the commissioner and his team? Are they as factual as this posting about this rule?
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ChrisH enthusiast Posts 374 |
05-02-12 12:16 PM - Post#148824
"The others who spend all their time obsessed about what is the commissioner doing where is he what is he up to that seem to want to be him also came on here and agreed with you." I would believe your talking about me in this statement, I dont want to be him and I wouldnt trade spots with him if I was paid. Believe me, if the rules were not changed there is a reason. Either the issue in question is no longer relevant or the commissioner changed his mind. If he wanted it changed, it would be changed. Someone posted a topic that I have first hand experience with and I shared my information. Take it however you want. |
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ChrisH enthusiast Posts 374 |
05-02-12 12:28 PM - Post#148833
"Do you have any specific examples of rules that were changed at anytime only to benefit the commissioner and his team? Are they as factual as this posting about this rule?" I have factual proof. 1 coach takes an Allen team to another city league for a season and tries to come back to ASA. Said coach was not bringing any additional players back other than those on his team that left Allen with the team. Rules were written to prevent the team from returning to ASA as a team without having to all go through the draft. The coach was banned from coaching in ASA for 2 years. Within the same rules, another coach who dropped his ASA team and took select players to another city league, was able to return to ASA with the same players and additonal recruited players and continue coaching. The rules were written to say that if you took a team to another league, you couldnt return as a team and the coach couldnt coach but at the same time, it allowed you to take select players from ASA to another league and return with the same players and create a whole new team without having the players go to draft. This rule was written specifically to allow XXXX to return to coaching in ASA and allow him to keep his players that he pulled out of ASA. This rule was worded almost exactly to overturn the objections we had when we met with the board in reference to them not allowing a coach and team to return but allowing XXXX to do so. We specifically asked them why the team and coaches could not return since there were no rules written that said the couldnt but he was allowed to return with his players. This rule was written within 1 day of the meeting. |
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iClaudius newbie Posts 16 |
05-02-12 12:28 PM - Post#148834
"So Guess What...The Rule Will Be Changed". Ummm, it sort of damages the credibility of one's opinions when one waffles like this. There are several reputable PR firms that would tell you the same thing. Baseless conjecture has whipped up a lot of emotion. In your first inflammatory post, where you told us "Sorry, but you need the history", did you pause at all before repeating these rumors? Turns out that history wasn't quite on the mark. Does it trouble you at all to have your oh-so-informed opinions dashed mercilessly upon the unyielding surface of the truth? What else might be ridiculously exaggerated? What other statements made here might be less than accurate? The rooster can flap and crow all he wants, but the farmer knows that the sun came up all on its own. Ponder this carefully when your opinions wax towards sowing discord and discontent. |
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ChrisH enthusiast Posts 374 |
05-02-12 12:37 PM - Post#148837
I will say one thing, the commissioner has done some good and helped the league to grow. So it is not all bad. He brought in spring ball and tried to start select ball. The only thing I think should change is that the commissioner should not be allowed to coach a team and should not have any input into rule changes without a allowing full viewership of the changes and a vote to take place amongst all those involved in the specific sport within ASA. This means everyone from the commissioner down to the parent should be able to view the rule and submit a vote. until that happens, I will still voice my first hand knowledge of what I currently know about the commissioner and the actual factual information I can provide in regards to rule changes and corruption. |
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cp enthusiast Posts 197 |
05-02-12 12:44 PM - Post#148842
"So Guess What...The Rule Will Be Changed". Ummm, it sort of damages the credibility of one's opinions when one waffles like this. There are several reputable PR firms that would tell you the same thing. Baseless conjecture has whipped up a lot of emotion. In your first inflammatory post, where you told us "Sorry, but you need the history", did you pause at all before repeating these rumors? Turns out that history wasn't quite on the mark. Does it trouble you at all to have your oh-so-informed opinions dashed mercilessly upon the unyielding surface of the truth? What else might be ridiculously exaggerated? What other statements made here might be less than accurate? The rooster can flap and crow all he wants, but the farmer knows that the sun came up all on its own. Ponder this carefully when your opinions wax towards sowing discord and discontent. Inflammatory post? Seeing that you're brand new to the forum and that you've already had a post of yours removed from this thread, it appears you have made some inflammatory statements in this thread that granted removal. Now, who's posting inflammatory comments again? Prove me (and others on here) wrong. Are you affiliated with ASA? By your strong position, almost one that attempts to discredit someone's experience, you paint yourself as one who has some interaction with the ASA, perhaps the very position being described from EnjoyingLife and ChrisH. Otherwise, you wouldn't be coming on so strongly against a certain poster's statements.
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ChrisH enthusiast Posts 374 |
05-02-12 12:55 PM - Post#148845
You may be onto something. Inflammatory posting Sarcastic attitude Hillbilly type referencing about crows and such The fact the rules were just released just after someone mentioned they hadnt been released. Makes one wonder just who this is. People so easily hide behind screen names. |
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ChrisH enthusiast Posts 374 |
05-02-12 12:59 PM - Post#148846
Well I do see something that was changed from the previous example I provided, guess it was changed after the commissioners 2 years had expired: "Any Coach, Assistant Coach or any other person who has left the ASA Football league under any of the following circumstances will not be allowed to return to Coach in any program offered by ASA football in any capacity for 2 complete calendar years from the violation. 1. Left with a team 2. Left with part of a team 3. Has taken, accepted, recruited, attempted to recruit or otherwise left with a player or players off of any roster of any other team in any division within ASA After two (2) complete calendar years the person/s may appear before the Football Board for a hearing to determine if he/she may return. There is no guarantee that the person will be allowed to return after 2 years. Coaching in ASA Football is not a right; it is a privilege to hold a coaching role." |
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ChrisH enthusiast Posts 374 |
05-02-12 01:02 PM - Post#148847
This was also added in. I am curious when, was it after his "2 years" would have expired? In the case of an existing ASA team who’s Head Coach decides not to return to the league, he will be ineligible to Coach in any capacity in ASA Football for 2 seasons. There are exceptions to this rule and this will be reviewed on a case by case basis. The intent is to prevent coaches stepping down from one team only to take players to other teams and still act in a coach capacity. The team he is leaving will be reviewed for the disbandment process. |
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EnjoyingLife enthusiast Posts 370 |
05-02-12 01:04 PM - Post#148848
He/she has no first hand knowledge. Just someone who wants to make noise and waste our time. The purpose of creating this post was to bring this issue to attention and hopefully stop a rule change that should never have been considered in the first place. I noticed the 2012 fall football rules have finally been posted on the ASA website. It looks like the rule has not changed. Per ASA rulebook: Any player who played ASA Football and who was recruited, joined, accepted, or became part of a team that was formed in violation of ASA team formation rules and left ASA football to play in any other organized football league may return only as an individual player to play in ASA at anytime. These players upon return may only be placed by draft. This includes any player who plays or has played in spring or fall select leagues. These players may return or join ASA football by draft only. Knowing we had multiple teams threatening to leave ASA, one of which has already done so, maybe the ASA rules committee finally took a stand. However, that still doesn't change a thing when it comes to XXXX, the commissioner! Knowing the rule, he was still recruiting, contacting coaches trying to get the rule changed and even had the parents of one player sold on the fact that their son would be on XXXX team! |
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iClaudius newbie Posts 16 |
05-02-12 01:06 PM - Post#148849
Thank you ChrisH, I couldn't have said it any better! Fact...the rule about leaving for a select team has been in place for several years. If you leave ASA for a select team and if you want to return to ASA, you MUST enter the draft, no exceptions. I know of a specific player who has played on a select team for the last 2 seasons, including the commissioners current select team. According to my resources, which I will NOT mention in this forum nor to anyone else for obvious reasons, this player has already been recruited by the commissioner to play on his team this fall in the D6 ASA league! Well, according to the rules, this player MUST enter the draft. Now lets talk about the "rules"...registration opened yesterday. The rules for ALL football leagues are supposed to be posted online the day registration opens. Guess what, NO RULES as of today. The only rules you can download are the flag football rules. Reason why is because the commissioner is trying to change the rules for his own benefit. The commissioner has also been calling the other coaches in the D6 league letting them know that he's changing the rules. There are several very influential coaches that don't want to have any part of this because they know it's cheating. They know the commissioner is trying to stack his team unfairly. As I stated earlier, one of the better teams in the league has already pulled out and there are a few others coaches from other teams already speaking to the parents about heading to another league. Trust me...all of us coaches talk to each other. We all know what's going on and we've all complained but yet nothing changes. Parents have also complained for years via the annual ASA parent/coaches survey. At this point, all we can do is speak to our parents about leaving ASA because ASA won't listen! We D6 parents/coaches only have one last season before middle school. Most of these kids will NEVER play football again. Why should we expose ourselves to a league that unfairly allows teams to stack the best of the best who will do nothing but beat the heck out of everyone else? How much fun will that be for our kids? It will soon be made apparent to even the most challenged of students that my opinions have all come to pass. Likewise, it shall become evident that the fallacies put forth above are little more than knee-jerk reactions to some half understood situations. Above all, we have to admit that the credibility of the opinions above are, ahem, questionable. It can be anticlimactic when a conspiracy turns out to be untrue. I feel your loss there, sincerely. Wouldn't it have been fun to be able to claim foreknowledge of the whole thing?! I do hope some soul searching happens after this defeat. These things can get confusing, with all of the he said she said going on. Lots of moving parts to keep up with. USE this experience. Use it to make life better. The key word here might be "simplify". Rumors, Interpersonal Dealings, Playbooks...all can benefit from this powerful idea. Now, to make this abundantly clear, with no misunderstandings, a big part of this is going to involve not talking about what we don't understand. When we avoid that, we avoid public comeuppances like we've had here today. Let past dismal failures pave the way to future bright successes.  |
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cp enthusiast Posts 197 |
05-02-12 01:14 PM - Post#148850
Thank you ChrisH, I couldn't have said it any better! Fact...the rule about leaving for a select team has been in place for several years. If you leave ASA for a select team and if you want to return to ASA, you MUST enter the draft, no exceptions. I know of a specific player who has played on a select team for the last 2 seasons, including the commissioners current select team. According to my resources, which I will NOT mention in this forum nor to anyone else for obvious reasons, this player has already been recruited by the commissioner to play on his team this fall in the D6 ASA league! Well, according to the rules, this player MUST enter the draft. Now lets talk about the "rules"...registration opened yesterday. The rules for ALL football leagues are supposed to be posted online the day registration opens. Guess what, NO RULES as of today. The only rules you can download are the flag football rules. Reason why is because the commissioner is trying to change the rules for his own benefit. The commissioner has also been calling the other coaches in the D6 league letting them know that he's changing the rules. There are several very influential coaches that don't want to have any part of this because they know it's cheating. They know the commissioner is trying to stack his team unfairly. As I stated earlier, one of the better teams in the league has already pulled out and there are a few others coaches from other teams already speaking to the parents about heading to another league. Trust me...all of us coaches talk to each other. We all know what's going on and we've all complained but yet nothing changes. Parents have also complained for years via the annual ASA parent/coaches survey. At this point, all we can do is speak to our parents about leaving ASA because ASA won't listen! We D6 parents/coaches only have one last season before middle school. Most of these kids will NEVER play football again. Why should we expose ourselves to a league that unfairly allows teams to stack the best of the best who will do nothing but beat the heck out of everyone else? How much fun will that be for our kids? It will soon be made apparent to even the most challenged of students that my opinions have all come to pass. Likewise, it shall become evident that the fallacies put forth above are little more than knee-jerk reactions to some half understood situations. Above all, we have to admit that the credibility of the opinions above are, ahem, questionable. It can be anticlimactic when a conspiracy turns out to be untrue. I feel your loss there, sincerely. Wouldn't it have been fun to be able to claim foreknowledge of the whole thing?! I do hope some soul searching happens after this defeat. These things can get confusing, with all of the he said she said going on. Lots of moving parts to keep up with. USE this experience. Use it to make life better. The key word here might be "simplify". Rumors, Interpersonal Dealings, Playbooks...all can benefit from this powerful idea. Now, to make this abundantly clear, with no misunderstandings, a big part of this is going to involve not talking about what we don't understand. When we avoid that, we avoid public comeuppances like we've had here today. Let past dismal failures pave the way to future bright successes. Nice response to someone else, while I'm still waiting for your response to me. Maybe you're in process of responding to me while I'm typing this, I don't know. But, you sure raise some suspicions with your approach and responses to this thread. While we may never know who you are or what kind of affiliation you have with ASA, if any, it always leaves room for wondering. Hopefully you won't have anymore posts removed from Admin.
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ChrisH enthusiast Posts 374 |
05-02-12 01:17 PM - Post#148851
Makes me wonder if the rules would have been changed if this specific subject would not have come up till after the rules were released. |
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iClaudius newbie Posts 16 |
05-02-12 01:20 PM - Post#148852
He / she must have had some first hand knowledge to have been so factually accurate (as opposed to others being so completely inaccurate) Either that or I am an unrepentant gambler. What I find to be most hilarious is that, even after your statements have been completely debunked, you still go on with the accusations. Faulkner admonished thusly, "Murder your darlings". What he meant was, sometimes you think you have a good story but when you are truthful with yourself, you will find that the story wasn't that good after all. Goodness me...iClaud done went from Hillbilly to Literary. He shore is a shifty one. |
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ChrisH enthusiast Posts 374 |
05-02-12 01:23 PM - Post#148853
Haha. Why are you hiding behind a screen name? Your good with words, what did that get you, 300 votes? |
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iClaudius newbie Posts 16 |
05-02-12 01:33 PM - Post#148854
Thanks for complimenting my vocabulary. I'm thinking about launching a rap career. This may be just the boost I've been needing. I'll remember you when I make it big. While my identity must remain a secret, just know that I am not he who you wish to assault with torches and pitchforks. My beef is with the rumors being perpetuated by the firebrand EnjoyingLife. Now that those have been disproven, I'm all about arguing over something else. Know ye by these presents, however, that if I continue. . .I may be forced to unleash the other 7/8ths of my considerable mind. "I set the trap and caught you like a brown mouse, then flipped into a Bruce Lee roundhouse. When I'm mic'd up no man can stand, say mic check and expect to take command" That's plagiarized from the one true LL Cool J. . .but I think I'm going to emulate his style. Brother CP, I'm attempting to answer your question to me here as well. Want to take some more guesses? |
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cp enthusiast Posts 197 |
05-02-12 01:39 PM - Post#148858
Thanks for complimenting my vocabulary. I'm thinking about launching a rap career. This may be just the boost I've been needing. I'll remember you when I make it big. While my identity must remain a secret, just know that I am not he who you wish to assault with torches and pitchforks. My beef is with the rumors being perpetuated by the firebrand EnjoyingLife. Now that those have been disproven, I'm all about arguing over something else. Know ye by these presents, however, that if I continue. . .I may be forced to unleash the other 7/8ths of my considerable mind. "I set the trap and caught you like a brown mouse, then flipped into a Bruce Lee roundhouse. When I'm mic'd up no man can stand, say mic check and expect to take command" That's plagiarized from the one true LL Cool J. . .but I think I'm going to emulate his style. Brother CP, I'm attempting to answer your question to me here as well. Want to take some more guesses? I'm just trying to figure out your position through a decent conversation, yet your sarcasm and catchy phrases seem to take precedence over your intelligence. There are no guesses for me to make. Just looking for an intelligent response to an honest inquiry of which you have yet to provide...
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EnjoyingLife enthusiast Posts 370 |
05-02-12 01:39 PM - Post#148859
LOL...was thinking the same thing! All defense, no offense. |
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iClaudius newbie Posts 16 |
05-02-12 01:39 PM - Post#148860
Makes me wonder if the rules would have been changed if this specific subject would not have come up till after the rules were released. Now here we have the claim to fame that I was waiting for. It was ievitable that someone take credit for "getting the rule changed". In a near-genius preemptive fable (or allegory if you see it that way), I gave the group wisdom concerning Roosters and Farmers. The rooster thinks he makes the sun come up, never knowing that it will rise of its own accord day after day. It loses something in the translation from the original Chinese, but I think the lesson is every bit as poignant. By the way, to the group, thanks for the well wishes on me not getting my posts wiped out again. I'm learning. Evidently, the person and the opinion are totally separate. . . hence all of the emphasis on opinions. I'm learning. |
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hollowel enthusiast Posts 138 |
05-02-12 01:50 PM - Post#148863
iClaudius=Warriors=Commis sioner BTW this is the exact same way the commissioner handles disputes when communicating by email with the coaches. At least with the one dispute we had this year. Glad you came aboard to show your true colors for all to see. |
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iClaudius newbie Posts 16 |
05-02-12 02:01 PM - Post#148866
So we can't use catchy phrases? YOU guys should call yourselves the NFL...The No Fun League. Defense wins championships. Unless I miss MY guess, that's something EnjoyingLife will never experience. Now, if you want to know my identity or affiliation prepare to be disappointed. Let the total decimation of EnjoyingLife's opinions serve as my calling card. Just bask in the knowledge that I know from whence I speak. Imagine the most well informed person you can imagine and multiply that by six. That would give you an approximation. Like a really well informed rapping caped crusader. With a cool car. And super powers. |
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iClaudius newbie Posts 16 |
05-02-12 02:05 PM - Post#148870
(not sure how to spell the sound a buzzer makes) NYAAAAAAHHHHHH! Your first guess is incorrect. You now have two left. |
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ChrisH enthusiast Posts 374 |
05-02-12 02:11 PM - Post#148875
I am going to back out now. The childish behavior is just annoying and shows ignorance not becoming of someone who appears to have such a high IQ. |
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Allenite enthusiast Posts 302 |
05-02-12 02:25 PM - Post#148883
Good idea. IF iclaudius IS the ASA FB Commissioner, it is clear to me what any dissenters are up against. IMHO, this is not a productive type of leader, but rather a bully who doesn't want any input and is too defensive and unwilling to build consensus among people. However, IF iclaudius is NOT the ASA FB commissioner, that person is not doing the commissioner any favors at all. As I said earlier, the parents will have to work together to try to solve the problems with ASA FB. Good luck! |
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EnjoyingLife enthusiast Posts 370 |
05-02-12 02:28 PM - Post#148884
High IQ...nah, lots of sleeveless shirts, yes...someone needs to get a new act! |
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iClaudius newbie Posts 16 |
05-02-12 02:32 PM - Post#148887
Sure do hate to see you go. Just for the record, my one and only goal here was to disprove the statements made by EnjoyingLife concerning the "big bad upcoming rule change". That has been proven conclusively. All of the rest was just goofing. If you've got nice toys, play with them. |
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iClaudius newbie Posts 16 |
05-02-12 02:46 PM - Post#148888
I don't know how else to put it to you guys and gals. I do take pleasure in the fact that you are wondering so much. "Who IS iClaudius?" It would make a good story title. If that's what we're reduced to...casting about aimlessly and guessing. . .then I really must be off. Unless someone can give me a good valid reason to remain, I'm going to have to part ways with you. It is natural to be drawn to me. To be fascinated when confronted by a superior force is ingrained in all of us. This will help you to understand why you are going to feel saddened upon my departure. You shouldn't be ashamed of that. Let the plebian gathering continue. I, iClaudius, take my leave of you now. |
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AllenConsumer member Posts 75 |
05-02-12 02:51 PM - Post#148889
I am going to back out now. The childish behavior is just annoying and shows ignorance not becoming of someone who appears to have such a high IQ. Amen. It has been an interesting read but this commissioner is childish. I'm grateful my son never had to endure this type of person or league. |
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cp enthusiast Posts 197 |
05-02-12 03:01 PM - Post#148891
I don't know how else to put it to you guys and gals. I do take pleasure in the fact that you are wondering so much. "Who IS iClaudius?" It would make a good story title. If that's what we're reduced to...casting about aimlessly and guessing. . .then I really must be off. Unless someone can give me a good valid reason to remain, I'm going to have to part ways with you. It is natural to be drawn to me. To be fascinated when confronted by a superior force is ingrained in all of us. This will help you to understand why you are going to feel saddened upon my departure. You shouldn't be ashamed of that. Let the plebian gathering continue. I, iClaudius, take my leave of you now. Who knows? You might lurk as a guest without signing in, then chime in under your username when you deem it necessary to do so. Hopefully, if you do, it will be intelligent dialogue. I'm still waiting to find out your affiliation with ASA. However, if you truly don't return, we'll never know where you stand. But, I as well as others, am only left to believe you are associated in some form or fashion, and very possibly in such a way that's being disputed here. Thanks for providing the interesting take on a situation more serious than you're willing to admit to.
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Sammy24 newbie Posts 5 |
05-02-12 03:05 PM - Post#148892
The moniker iClaudius - is that based on the novel by Robert Graves? There was a book written by Robert Graves titled, "I, Claudius" written in like 1940 about the Roman Emperor Claudius, who was the 4th Emperor of Rome, died in 54 AD |
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ChrisH enthusiast Posts 374 |
05-02-12 03:37 PM - Post#148896
"To be fascinated when confronted by a superior force is ingrained in all of us. This will help you to understand why you are going to feel saddened upon my departure. You shouldn't be ashamed of that." What an idiot. Glad to see you go buddy. A real man wouldnt have to hide behind a username. |
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threetimesmom newbie Posts 8 |
05-02-12 04:50 PM - Post#148899
Our 5th grade team is LEAVING ASA because of the current commissioner. If ASA wonders why the retention is so low for the older grades, they should look at the top. The younger grades are still coming in because they are unaware of all the injustices going on. We all chuckle when we get the emails from the Commish about having a good sportsmanship and "this is about the kids". That is hilarious. When you handle conflict by making attacks towards a team about their players, that leaves little room for sportsmanship. Yes, our team did receive emails from the commish saying that our team was weak and he challenged us to a scrimmage. Sportsmanship? None. So we are THRILLED to be leaving ASA....and yes, I have volunteered and served so don't tell me I don't know what it takes to be on the board. Been there, no need to go back when no one is listened to if they disagree with the boss. Too bad for ASA all these teams are leaving when they are needing to raise money for their new indoor playing fields. The commish is taking money away from ASA and I'm not sure they understand that. Truth hurts. |
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threetimesmom newbie Posts 8 |
05-02-12 04:51 PM - Post#148900
The truth hurts, doesn't it? We want Troy back! |
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threetimesmom newbie Posts 8 |
05-02-12 04:52 PM - Post#148901
Hello Hawks. Thought that was you. You know I have always appreciated the Webster in your words. |
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mcollins45 member Posts 45 |
05-02-12 05:09 PM - Post#148904
You were going to leave during LAX and then you were going to leave the Tigers and didn’t and now you are going to leave because the team got disbanded and a lot of those players are already on new teams. Guess you didn’t get a call? I am pretty sure alot of people sit around and laugh at emails you send in. I think it will be better with no XXXX around so don’t just say it make sure you do it.
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tamss13 member Posts 91 |
06-14-12 09:27 AM - Post#150113
Over the past 13 plus years I have coached almost every sport and sat on multiple sports at ASA. I have seen many many changes in football, softball, baseball, Track etc... some for the good some I didn't like so much. One thing I have realized is...Once you get to Jr high ball and High School ball those kids of the mega teams start falling out. Those teams that won the 6th grade division due to what most of us deem as recruiting...kids disappeared or were beating out of thier positions once in Jr High. I say that to say...focus on training your kids giving them the tools to be successful....give 100% and try your best to win....if you lose to a mega team...fine your kids will past them when it counts.....High School Varisty... No one remembers who won the 6th grade city championship......
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