denisew
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06-29-09 04:12 PM - Post#88801
I am back to looking at a new software to build my website. Has anyone used either of these?
http://www.wysiwygwebbuilder.com/index.html
or
http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/software/WebPlus/...
Please let me know of your experiences with either or both of these. I don't want to download anything until I get other opinions. I appreciate your input.
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Tiff
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06-30-09 10:37 PM - Post#88905
In response to denisew
I use dreamweaver and it is considered wysiiwyg. Problem is that if you don't know what you are doingm, then "what you see" doesn't look so good. If you are not planning on becoming a website developer, then I would stay away from software (especially if not well known). You could look into templates. Otherwise, if you want your site to look nice/professional, you should look into hiring a professional.
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AllenNerd
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07-01-09 10:14 AM - Post#88925
In response to Tiff
I agree with the templates. Too often we get caught up in the design of a site because that's the sexy part and we forget about the content which is what drives people to the site in the first place.
Templates allow you to "set it and forget it" so you can focus on what's really important. A step beyond that look at Content Management Systems where you define a template and things like sidebars and navigation become components that are called dynamically. Take a look at free programs like Joomla and Drupal. They take a little time initially to set up but then require no technical knowledge to update the site. Another plus is that there are tons of free templates for each of those that you can tweak so you look like a professional with little effort.
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denisew
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07-01-09 10:51 AM - Post#88928
In response to AllenNerd
What is the cost of Dreamweaver? I'm looking for something that is easy to set up a website with more than 10 pages, photos, links to other websites and lots of information. It also has to be very inexpensive.
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AllenNerd
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07-01-09 01:11 PM - Post#88938
In response to denisew
Dreamweaver isn't the way to go then. Manufacturer says $399 but Royal Discount has it for $280. Normally I'm wary of super cheap online because they often have shady software but I dealt with them once before and got what I paid for.
Try Kompozer which is free. Also, webmonkey.com is a great resource for tutorials on all things web. Finally, if you're going to be developing a lot consider installing XAMPP. It's a package containing the Apache webserver, Perl, PHP, and MySQL. You can use it to develop your site locally and then upload when things look right. It will save you time.
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aaron
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07-01-09 02:21 PM - Post#88947
In response to AllenNerd
Nothing from Adobe comes cheap.
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denisew
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07-01-09 03:08 PM - Post#88950
In response to aaron
I will look at the information you all have supplied, but I still am waiting on an answer for my original question. Has anyone used the website software at the links I posted?
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AllenNerd
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07-01-09 04:11 PM - Post#88956
In response to denisew
Sorry. I don't use WYSIWYG. I prefer VIM or Notepad will do.
I did go through a period of Dreamweaver use because it came with my Adobe suite. I was blown away by the power and features of it but I still prefer learning it by hand coding.
Consider what features your site will contain and check the feature list for each of the products. Maybe that will help. I will say that the first choice has online tutorials and templates which I consider added value.
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Joe Schirmer
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07-01-09 10:15 PM - Post#88976
In response to AllenNerd
Sorry. I don't use WYSIWYG. I prefer VIM or Notepad will do.
Heathen! Emacs is the best editor for web design!!!!!
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rclark
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07-01-09 10:44 PM - Post#88978
In response to Joe Schirmer
Ah, you sissy - the IBM 029 keypunch is all you need for HTML ...
(and you get all the chads to play with, too)
Two plus two equals five, for sufficiently large values of two.
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AllenNerd
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07-02-09 07:39 AM - Post#88985
In response to Joe Schirmer
Oh no! I hear a holy war brewing!
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Don4
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07-02-09 08:55 AM - Post#88988
In response to rclark
I used those in college for my watfiv class. I had stacks of cards for my projects. I was hoping to never see one of those machines ever again.
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Joe Schirmer
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07-02-09 10:07 AM - Post#88995
In response to Don4
Real programmers use Emacs!
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07-02-09 11:00 AM - Post#88997
In response to Joe Schirmer
Everyone:
Please stay on topic and help answer the original topic question.
If you what to discuss a related matter start a new topic please.
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Joe Schirmer
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07-02-09 03:52 PM - Post#89010
In response to Webmaster
I'm sorry, but to me it seems like you are being a bit harsh.
A few off-topic posts are to be expected and make the forum a little more interesting. The vi/emacs rivalry is older than the web (see the link in my previous posting). If it really started getting carried away then I would see why you would want to jump in, but I don't think it was.
Of course this is your forum and you have the complete right to enforce any rules you wish and behave any way you wish. I too have the right to only frequent only the web sights which I believe are interesting, useful (which Allen Online is), and friendly. Please help keep this a friendly web site.
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AllenNerd
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07-02-09 04:16 PM - Post#89013
In response to Joe Schirmer
I'm new to the forums but I agree with the squirrel. :)
I'm not concerned about a little friendly banter messing up the signal to noise ratio. It's through these little exchanges that we learn more about our fellow members and personally I would prefer a relaxed discussion area rather than a test-like q&a exchange. Besides, it's not like we the AOLers of the past posting nothing but "me too's".
I don't mind hearing from a few crazies (EMACS users) :) on here either.
However, it is your forum and your rules and I certainly appreciate the resource you provide.
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sco
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07-02-09 04:33 PM - Post#89016
In response to denisew
Denise,
I haven't used either of the programs you are looking at. I used Trellix which was included in the tools of my hosting company. I use startlogic to host. The tool worked pretty well for what I wanted and it was quick and easy. The problem with it is that I am now stuck using their software or starting over. If I had it to do over again I would use something that isn't proprietary. You might want to look into Joomla. It is really just a set of templates but it is a free open source system that should be supported by many hosting companies. I haven't used it but it has been recommended to us. If you have access to a Mac you could use iWeb. I haven't used it either but have been told it is very quick and easy to use. It writes standard HTML so it should be portable. Once you have the system set up you could tweak the HTML by hand which isn't very hard. Writing HTML from scratch isn't hard either but it is pretty tedious.
Is the garden club a 5013c non-profit? If so, you can apply to get Adobe or Microsoft software at a significantly reduced price. PT me if you want the details.
Edited by sco on 07-02-09 04:36 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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07-02-09 06:58 PM - Post#89019
In response to Joe Schirmer
Joe Schirmer, AllenNerd,
I absolutely have no problem with your banter. And, of course it is the nature of these types of forums. However, I would like to see the original get some answers to their question if possible.
Your discussion is a very interesting one and I'm sure others would like to jump it. That's why starting another topic would be a good idea.
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Joe Schirmer
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07-02-09 09:44 PM - Post#89027
In response to Webmaster
Starting another topic for banter is not a good idea. It breaks the flow of the messaging and makes no sense without the context of the previous messages.
I think it would be much easier to put up with a little banter before you come down on someone.
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Webmaster
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07-03-09 12:43 AM - Post#89035
In response to Joe Schirmer
Sorry we don't agree. And sorry you misread my request as "coming down" on someone. I thought I was polite.
My message was:
"Everyone:
Please stay on topic and help answer the original topic question.
If you what to discuss a related matter start a new topic please."
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