lionhart
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06-29-10 12:22 AM - Post#113743
In response to bsnelson
The restaurant and concept seems pretty unique but I checked out the menu and it's definitely upscale.
http://www.wylandgrille.com/
The prices are similar to the prices on Gold Class Menu items.
In agreement to Maringa, I too have noticed how all of the restaurants have either delayed their opening or being worked on at a slow rate. Wyland's is the exception because it seemed to open ahead of schedule. But I've often wondered in my ignorance if many of the restaurants share construction companies. It seems like a group of people work on Cyclone Anaya one day then another day on Patrizo's but hardly it seems at the same time. It looks like there is some activity going on at the Gloria's site.
But at the rate the restaurants are opening; I wonder if LaDuni or Twisted Root will open on time. I can definitely see La Duni getting pushed back into 2011.
Also I reported on Friday that I saw a banner for Ann Taylor but now I noticed it's gone. It was posted at a space between Lens Crafters and Cold Water Creek.
I too wonder if some of the lesser known stores like Frenzi will still be around next year when the place has more stores and more traffic.
But for now it has to be brutal for many of the retailers over there except Purple Cow when you consider that the Outlet Mall has a consistent flow of foot traffic.
Edited by lionhart on 06-29-10 12:23 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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06-29-10 10:40 AM - Post#113753
In response to lionhart
Wow, I gotta try that place out.
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mgrayar
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06-29-10 10:54 AM - Post#113756
In response to lionhart
The restaurant and concept seems pretty unique but I checked out the menu and it's definitely upscale.
http://www.wylandgrille.com/
The prices are similar to the prices on Gold Class Menu items.
In agreement to Maringa, I too have noticed how all of the restaurants have either delayed their opening or being worked on at a slow rate. Wyland's is the exception because it seemed to open ahead of schedule. But I've often wondered in my ignorance if many of the restaurants share construction companies. It seems like a group of people work on Cyclone Anaya one day then another day on Patrizo's but hardly it seems at the same time. It looks like there is some activity going on at the Gloria's site.
But at the rate the restaurants are opening; I wonder if LaDuni or Twisted Root will open on time. I can definitely see La Duni getting pushed back into 2011.
Also I reported on Friday that I saw a banner for Ann Taylor but now I noticed it's gone. It was posted at a space between Lens Crafters and Cold Water Creek.
I too wonder if some of the lesser known stores like Frenzi will still be around next year when the place has more stores and more traffic.
But for now it has to be brutal for many of the retailers over there except Purple Cow when you consider that the Outlet Mall has a consistent flow of foot traffic.
Not sure if you noticed, but that link you posted was for the Wyland Grilles in Hawaii. I think this is a different concept for them all together, as this will be a gallery as well. Fairview is listed nowhere on the site, only San Diego is listed in the coming soon page.
I am guessing that the Wylands Ocean Blue concept will be a little less (but not much) high end. They posted a happy hour deal on the Village website, click on their name in the directory. Relatively good happy hour pricing, may be a good way to test out the place.
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Edited by mgrayar on 06-29-10 10:56 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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06-29-10 10:58 AM - Post#113757
In response to mgrayar
Related article from early June. Had no idea that this concept was also related to the Guy Harveys that is opening as well. Decent read:
Village at Fairview to get seafood with Guy Harvey’s Island Grill and Ocean Blue by Teresa Gubbins
Two seafood-themed restaurants opening in June.
Guy Harvey, artistFlorida-based Guy Harvey Island Grills is expanding into Texas with not one but two new seafood-themed restaurants opening in The Village at Fairview next month, including the debut of a new upscale concept called Wyland's Ocean Blue.
They'll also open the first branch in Texas of Guy Harvey's Island Grill, a casual seafood chain with three outlets in Florida and one in Alabama.
The restaurants are slated to open at the end of June, says director of operations Terry Sullivan.
"It's our first venture out this way to the Dallas/Fairview area, and we are opening both in the same complex," he says.
The Village at Fairview is the hot new mixed-use lifestyle center almost 30 miles north of Dallas, located on the northeast corner of Stacy Road and US-75 and across the street from its sister mixed-use center, the Village at Allen. Together, the two will be home to more than three dozen new restaurants, including branches of Paciugo, La Duni, Bailey's Prime Plus, Twisted Root, Patrizio's, and so on.
But first, who is this Guy Harvey: He's described on his website as a "unique blend of artist, scientist, diver, angler, conservationist and explorer, fiercely devoted to his family and his love of the sea." (The only categories missing are "crime-fighter" and "superhero.") He likes painting underwater scenes, which his site says "can be found in art exhibits, stores, galleries, restaurants and at fishing tournaments." At Guy Harvey restaurants, too.
Calling himself a conservationist, he says that the casual, island-themed restaurants do not serve swordfish, grouper, or any species of billfish or shark, so as to "make an individual contribution to the long term improvement of these fish stocks."
That said, seafood is the theme, with crab legs, a crab cake sandwich, tomato-basil seafood chowder, oysters, and U-peel-them shrimp. However, the menu also has your prototypical American mish-mash of chicken tenders, Buffalo wings, burgers, salads, quesadillas, even a Philly cheesesteak.
The Florida branches are big on cocktails and happy hours, with big-screen TV sports viewing events and karoake parties.
Like all Guy Harvey restaurants, the Village at Fairview outlet will have a retail store that sells Guy Harvey artwork, Guy Harvey T-shirts, clothing, and gifts.
The other concept, Wyland's Ocean Blue, is a new one for the company that involves the participation of ocean muralist and painter Wyland.
The press blurb describes Ocean Blue as "the next step in the evolution and growth of Guy Harvey's Island Grills ... with a focus on ocean conservation, art, exceptional food, and beverage in a dynamic environment."
"Next step" means more upscale, Sullivan says.
"With Ocean Blue, we decided we need to move inland with the theme, and to take it up a couple notches with food, atmosphere, plate presentations -- take it to the next level," he says. "[Guy Harvey president] Pete McFarland knew Wyland, the artist, and started talking to him about the Ocean Blue project. We got him on board, and so it's Wyland’s Ocean Blue."
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lcr2004
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06-29-10 01:41 PM - Post#113764
In response to mgrayar
It will be interesting to see what the center looks like in 3-4 years, and definitely in 5+ once the first of these leases start rolling.
I was skeptical from the start and it has significantly exceeded my expectations to this point, but getting tenants in is one thing (especially when they are most certainly getting $100+/sf in tenant allowance to go in)...getting them to stay and continue paying rent is another.
The fact that this is almost certainly a LIBOR-based loan has helped a lot as well (from the landlord's perspective), as the historically low index rate is probably keeping the monthly debt service down in the 40-50% range of what was originally budgeted.
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lionhart
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06-29-10 02:09 PM - Post#113765
In response to mgrayar
Sorry about the link. I tried to find additional info on the place and a menu to no avail. I did find that The Shops at Northfield Stapleton in the Denver Colorado area is getting a Wyland's Ocean Blue and Guy Harvey's.
I saw the link on the Village website about the drink specials so that's a good sign to get people in to try the place.
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Maringa
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06-29-10 02:49 PM - Post#113768
In response to lcr2004
The shopping centers are very nice - better than I expected. They have done a good job on landscaping, and after it matures for two to three years, that place will look really nice. It's always that chicken and the egg thing..If everyone of the store fronts were leased, and there was a good balance of shops (not just geared for women, but for men and teenagers as well - unlike Watters Creek), that place will be rockin'. It's hard to go shopping there now because there aren't enough and a variety of shops to visit.
Noticed the other day that parking around the cinema seems to be fairly active...I wonder how they are doing?
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lionhart
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06-29-10 04:11 PM - Post#113773
In response to Maringa
I agree that it appears that the MGHerring Group is trying to do a good balance from men, women to teen retailers. They also appear to be trying to provide a good balance of popular national retailers like the anchors, to local retailers like BeDazzled, The Flower Pot and the upcoming Rally House to the new to Texas/North Texas in retailers like Sandollar Lifestyle which is mostly in Alabama.
I've been sitting on this bit of information for a while and have been resistant to post because I didn't want to get my source in trouble with MGHerring. When I went to the Radio Disney Beach Party event two weeks ago; I struck up a conversation with the Marketing Manager for VatF and I mentioned how I was impressed with the development but wondered if a bookstore would ever come since Barnes and Nobles disappeared from the tenant list a year or so ago.
The Marketing manager smiled and said said "no comment". After pressing she acknowledge that one was coming in mid 2011. I pressed again whether it was Barnes and Nobles? "No", Borders? "No" Books A Million? "No", Legacy Books? "No". She said it was a chain that she wasn't familiar with but the plans for it was very nice.
So after doing some Wikipedia searching on American Bookstore Chains and crossing out the chains I queried; I came upon a chain call "Joseph-Beth Booksellers". They are in 5 states and are described as an bookstore with an independent feel but with the selection of a a big chain store like B&N. There are 5 locations in the US. Check out the link below.
http://www.josephbeth.com/StoreLocations.aspx
Now I'm not saying that the VatF is getting a Joseph&Beth Bookstore but seeing how in order to distinguish itself from a lot of the typical mall stores that are already across the street at the Premium Outlet and at Watters Creek. I wouldn't be surprise if the "never heard of chain" is a Joseph&Beth looking to expand into a new markets.
I guess the economy and the magatitude of two projects like VatA and VatF required some spacing out of aquiring tenants. I remember when Stonebriar and Firewheel Town Center opened. They both opened at 85%-90% occupancy. But that was a different economic time.
But as many has said here; I do believe in the next few years the VatF will be the project that we all envisioned it to be.
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lcr2004
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06-29-10 06:24 PM - Post#113780
In response to lionhart
Borders is practically dead as a company, so at least they won't have them for competition much longer.
Herring did pretty well on this deal despite almost falling flat on their face during development several times (ask your source about that). They've still got some big hurdles here, but none that the average consumer is going to notice.
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06-29-10 11:19 PM - Post#113796
In response to lcr2004
So was the marketing director Debi Martinez?
Village at Allen announces 16 new lease agreements
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MrsC
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06-30-10 12:29 AM - Post#113798
In response to mgrayar
I am guessing that the Wylands Ocean Blue concept will be a little less (but not much) high end. They posted a happy hour deal on the Village website, click on their name in the directory. Relatively good happy hour pricing, may be a good way to test out the place.
We went to Wyland's Ocean Blue last night. The prices are about the same as the Wyland Grille (maybe even a tiny bit higher). Our server told us the menu will be 50% off today (June 30) for Friends and Family from 5:30pm - 7:00pm. You will need to tell the host/hostess you are there for the Friends and Family night in order to get the discount.
Wyland's is located beside Gold Class Cinemas. When we looked up their location on the Village website it said it was close to Dillard's... it's not! Since we've never been to Gold Class we didn't know where Wyland's was located.
Anyway, I am off to start a review on the place. Just wanted to let everyone know about the Friends and Family night.
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06-30-10 08:33 AM - Post#113830
In response to MrsC
I don't understand what the big draw about a bookstore is. Books are one of the things that you should never buy new. They are a complete waste of money. You're already paying for the library with your tax dollars. Also, if you're collecting new hardbacks for your library, they are much cheaper at Amazon or Walmart.
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lionhart
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06-30-10 08:37 AM - Post#113831
In response to hollowel
I didn't get her name. However she wore a purple polo with the Village at Fairview logo.
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06-30-10 08:47 AM - Post#113833
In response to hollowel
That article is dated 6/23 and about 1/2 of the places mentioned in the article have been open for quite some time now.
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Al C
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06-30-10 09:14 AM - Post#113834
In response to StacyLynn624
I don't understand what the big draw about a bookstore is. Books are one of the things that you should never buy new. They are a complete waste of money. You're already paying for the library with your tax dollars. Also, if you're collecting new hardbacks for your library, they are much cheaper at Amazon or Walmart.
Or Half Price Books.
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06-30-10 10:32 AM - Post#113842
In response to Al C
Exactly, but I'm assuming that the poster is looking for new books since they are obsessed with B&N.
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06-30-10 10:39 AM - Post#113844
In response to Al C
Al C and StacyLynn...there are a lot of things that are a much worse waste of money than books. Many times we don't want to order $25 to avoid the shipping with Amazon. The books my kids and I want are often checked out of the library (and I am in a book club so can't wait for weeks for a popular book while it's on hold). So we go to the library and check out books constantly. We go to Half Price Books whenever possible, but it's not a place to go when you're looking for a specific title, especially a popular one. For my money, I love having my girls be bookworms who will read books over and over again, handing them down from one girl to the next, and am glad to see them spend their money on paperback books or begging me for books occasionally rather than materialistic junk that really ISN'T worth anything.
Edited by texmomma on 06-30-10 10:40 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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mgrayar
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06-30-10 10:56 AM - Post#113845
In response to Al C
I don't understand what the big draw about a bookstore is. Books are one of the things that you should never buy new. They are a complete waste of money. You're already paying for the library with your tax dollars. Also, if you're collecting new hardbacks for your library, they are much cheaper at Amazon or Walmart.
Or Half Price Books.
All used books were new once. The library would never get new titles if there wasn't a market for them to be bought new first. There is nothing better than going to a book store and browsing for a while, grabbing a few titles, sitting in the coffee shop and reading the first ten pages of each, and then picking the one to go home with. Hard to do that on Amazon. HPB is good if you do not have specific titles or authors in mind, as stated before.
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lionhart
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 06-30-10 11:28 AM - Post#113847
In response to mgrayar
I'm an equal shopper of books, magazine, etc from Wal-Mart, Target, B&N, Borders, Half-Price, Online, Library, etc.
My only concern with B&N was that it was initially listed as a tenant early in the development and that it was no longer listed.
Also certain retailers generally help in the success of a project. A bookstore regardless of the retailer usually benefits any retail development.
Maybe I'll be proved wrong.
Edited by lionhart on 06-30-10 11:29 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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StacyLynn624
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06-30-10 02:22 PM - Post#113866
In response to texmomma
That's fine. To each their own.
I just know that I had a ton of money in my pocket when I stopped buying books new.
As for amazon, there's no reason to ever pay for shipping. If you're buying new books, you only need a 3 or 4 (even children's books) to get to $25. When I used to buy books all the time, I would make a list and only buy when the list got over $25.
Libraries don't get their books from bookstores. They get them from publishers and from donations.
Names get attached to plans, and sometimes those plans fall through. B&N has been off the list for a year or more, but about every 2 months it's brought back up on this forum like people are just pining for it. It's annoying. It wasn't meant to be. Something better will come along. Can we please stop talking about the lack of B&N at VofF? Buy your books at Borders or wait for Walmart if you must buy them pristine and new and in Allen.
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