Aolain
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12-13-09 10:37 PM - Post#101837
In response to Jimi Ray Clapton
Interesting stuff.
Looks like the fundamentalist are making their move.
Anyone ever heard of the wedding at Cana? And no, the use of wine in the ancient world was "wine" not grape juice......that is a fundamentalist distortion of the ancient world
Edited by Aolain on 12-14-09 06:39 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Maurice
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Posts: 3981
Loc: Allen, TX
Reg: 12-03-01
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12-13-09 10:57 PM - Post#101838
In response to Aolain
How many churches do they want in the area? Aren't there enough already to support those who wish to attend?
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rw
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Posts: 427
Reg: 10-11-01
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12-14-09 06:33 AM - Post#101844
In response to vrs
Since reading all of these posts, I went back and watched the meeting online...I think overall the discussion was civil...there was the one guy that rebuked the council, which was in poor taste...they had not voted yet... A couple more hinted that council would regret making the change...hinting at ballot box retribution...but I have seen things get much more intense in past council and P&Z meetings.
The bottom line is that the folks in the community that disagreed came out and expressed their grievances...and the council listened and agreed to table the vote and meet with the Ministerial Alliance and try to work out a compromise.
That is how it is supposed to work.
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Joe Schirmer
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Loc: SE Allen
Reg: 06-30-08
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12-14-09 12:32 PM - Post#101860
In response to asmile4u
I don't think alcohol is the issue. The issue is the church wants to control all development. If they can put a plant church on every corner, it would effectively control what could go on that corner. The church doesn't want their right to expand limited, they just want to control everyone else's right to do so.
That is a very pessimistic view of religion.
Sir, I respectfully disagree. My church focuses on the homeless, the hungry and the abused, in accordance with scripture and the teachings of our Lord, reaching out to help those in need.
All one has to do is look at many churches in our area and see their focus is unfortunately not on religion, but control. If this paints a pessimistic view of certain churches, so be it. I just think there are many, many more important agendas to address other than the item in question.
If a "christian" publicly declares "the Lord rebuke you" on something, that in the big picture of life will effect no one, this alone paints a pessimistic view of religion for all to see. Is that a person, for someone looking at what religion is all about, to base an opinion? I sincerely hope not.
My apologies. When you said "the church" I assumed that you were making a blanket statement about religion rather than a particular church. I am glad that you seemed to have found a church that doesn't want to control all development in the city.
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asmile4u
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Loc: Allen
Reg: 04-20-08
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12-14-09 11:25 PM - Post#101878
In response to Joe Schirmer
Sarcasm really isn't one of your best traits. Nice try though. 
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Joe Schirmer
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Posts: 1325
Loc: SE Allen
Reg: 06-30-08
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12-14-09 11:33 PM - Post#101880
In response to asmile4u
No sarcasm was intended.
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asmile4u
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Loc: Allen
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12-15-09 09:23 AM - Post#101885
In response to Joe Schirmer
No sarcasm was intended.
Then you have my apologies sir.
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Sgordon
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Posts: 269
Loc: Allen, TX
Reg: 08-02-07
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12-16-09 01:02 PM - Post#101969
In response to Jimi Ray Clapton
Well, just look at FBC Allen - right there in downtown. They are purchasing yet another building to expand. As for wanting to be in control - you bet. Just look at their staff! They love being in a position of authority and control (it's amazing when you see how they are when people are around vs when there's not).
It's also amazing how they can afford to purchase new buildings but can't afford to pay for childcare workers during the 2nd worship service. They mandate that "both parents must volunteer or their children are not welcome here."
Does this sound like a "Christian" church?
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chasw
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Posts: 84
Loc: Allen
Reg: 03-16-09
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12-16-09 06:18 PM - Post#101980
In response to crochet_lover
I don't see any problem with churches sharing space with mixed use areas. Bars could be open on Saturday night and the church could be open on Sunday morning. They could share the same space. "Paul's Pool Hall and Preaching". Share advertising and everything.
"There's a fine line between Saturday night and Sunday morning" Jimmy Buffett
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DrivinTooFast
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12-17-09 10:32 AM - Post#101992
In response to chasw
I also heard that Baptists have outlawed any Happy Dance emoticons.
 
Bunch of killjoys if you ask me - Heck Jesus himself made water into wine - Now that guy knows how to throw a lake party. Water into Wine, Walking on the surf and bread into fish.
Edited by DrivinTooFast on 12-17-09 10:33 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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rtinallentx
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Loc: Allen, TX, USA
Reg: 04-08-03
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12-17-09 08:46 PM - Post#102028
In response to DrivinTooFast
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