Maurice
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01-24-10 12:23 AM - Post#103971
In response to DrivinTooFast
Yes, they are for profit but the way they're headed they're going to be losing profits rather than gaining them.
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vm7mm
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01-24-10 01:29 PM - Post#103987
In response to Maurice
ASA never was very organized with my past coaching experiences with them. We even had to bring out the rule book sometimes and correct the umpire.
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Maurice
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01-24-10 06:35 PM - Post#103995
In response to vm7mm
It's not just limited to baseball unfortunately.
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allenmom
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01-24-10 07:19 PM - Post#103998
In response to Maurice
I had no idea they were for profit. I thought they were stricly run by "volunteers". It's all starting to make sense now.
Unfortunately, my son now feels like he isn't good enough to play so I think we will be trying something new.
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DrivinTooFast
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01-25-10 12:33 PM - Post#104028
In response to vm7mm
ASA never was very organized with my past coaching experiences with them. We even had to bring out the rule book sometimes and correct the umpire.
Umpiring is different than the ASA. There are rules like USSSA, NTBA, ASA - then each area, Frisco, Plano, Allen put their own tweeks on the rules. Umpires move between areas and the local rules can be very confusing. I really do not blame the umpires/referees.
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DrivinTooFast
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01-25-10 12:36 PM - Post#104029
In response to allenmom
I had no idea they were for profit. I thought they were stricly run by "volunteers". It's all starting to make sense now.
Unfortunately, my son now feels like he isn't good enough to play so I think we will be trying something new.
If you want, I would be willing to work with you/spouse and your kid to design some drills he can work on so he becomes the kid every coach wants on their team. Baseball/softball is a LEARNED sport - (Unless you are Dominican)
There are not too many coaches that know how to teach. Many know how to yell, but few know how to teach.
Edited by DrivinTooFast on 01-25-10 12:37 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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mcollins45
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 01-25-10 12:47 PM - Post#104032
In response to DrivinTooFast
When people complain that their kid was cut off a roster they should realize that maybe sports is not an activity for their child. This could be a very positive thing for the child to learn about strengths and weaknesses and about goal setting and working hard. It is ok to not be good at sports and to be cut. What is wrong with saying that sports is not for a child and finding something else or the child to participate in where they are good and have fun and it plays to their strengths.
When people are afraid of an expansion team it means that the parents only care about winning as well. An expansion team is usually newer and wont do very good but if a parent only cares about the child having fun and learning why does winning or losing matter put the kid on an expansion team and let them just have fun.
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DrivinTooFast
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01-25-10 01:45 PM - Post#104041
In response to mcollins45
The best recreational games are close games. Period, At a rec level it is much better to have 6 teams within 2 games of each other than 1 or 2 dominate teams that run through the league. At a rec level, there should be no stacking rosters - no picking teams. Competitive - no problem there.
NO kid should be made to feel like crap in 8U RECREATIONAL. Rec is about playing ball, not trophy hunting. If the coach wanted wins, then move up to competitive, make your team, take your chances. If you are a good coach with a good program - you will be successful.
What this coach is trying to do create a false sense of success in the rec leagues so other top rec players want to join his team when they move to competitive.
It's posturing and roster stacking and should not be allowed in rec.
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allenmom
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01-25-10 03:48 PM - Post#104046
In response to DrivinTooFast
My thoughts exactly!
I appreciate your offer, but we are focusing on basketball now (at least for this spring ;). You are right about baseball being a learned sport. We've done 2 camps and even took some private batting lessons. He had improved tremendously over the last 2 seasons. We didn't learn any of it from our coach though.
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allenmom
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01-25-10 04:31 PM - Post#104053
In response to mcollins45
My complaint is that you have to be good to play. Not every child is ready to enter the pro's when they are 8 years old. The majority of society has to practice to be good at something. Playing in a rec league is good practice. It's the only place that I can think of where you get game experience that you need in order to improve. You just don't get that kind of experience by playing catch with dad or taking batting lessons.
He enjoys baseball and I like to encourage him to play outside and get exercise. His strengths are video games and computers. I let him do those things as well, but want to keep him active for health reasons.
Baseball isn't the only sport we have played. As a matter of fact, it's the 4th. It's his favorite even though he isn't a top player. I just don't understand why kids have to be good at something to play in a rec league. We put him in the rec league because he wasn't good enough to play select.
If I had your philosophy, I guess my kids would never have learned to swim. They weren't "good" at it the first couple of years. They needed time in the water to build their skills. I didn't give up on them after a few lessons and tell them that swimming wasn't for them and they should find something to do that they were already good at.
And I'm not afraid of an expansion team. I don't care if we lose every game. We have been losing for 2 seasons of t-ball and 2 seasons of baseball. The problem is that the coaches made my son feel like he isn't good enough so now he doesn't want to try another team.
I was really just shedding light on the fact that ASA is not a reacreational league.
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Retired 1
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01-25-10 06:06 PM - Post#104058
In response to allenmom
I knew I was in a different town from where I grew up when a parent at a teacher's open house for my kindergartener said, "do you guys keep class rank so I can see how my child's doing?" My jaw dropped and ever since then (10 years ago) it has been confirmed; people like their kids to excel and do better than others. ASA is probably just a reflection of our town.
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mcollins45
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01-25-10 06:50 PM - Post#104060
In response to Retired 1
Local Realtor I have to agree with you. The leave it to Beaver days are long over.
Swimming is not a team sport it is something that kids do and they dont have team mates depending on them to perform in their position. Golf and tennis are sometimes good for kids and adults that want to get some physical activity but may not be the most athletic out there.
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rclark
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01-25-10 07:37 PM - Post#104061
In response to mcollins45
I am not an athlete at all, and so I didn't encourage my kids very much in that direction. Probably a shame, since they really were pretty good at physical activities.
One thing we did for several years was the City of Allen Swim Team (COAST). At the time, COAST was a thoroughly recreational, summer-only, team. My kids worked hard, got a lot better at swimming, and were upper mid-pack at meets, but it wasn't their life. They liked it during the summer, but had other things to do during the school year. They never missed a practice, but were not all that interested in the competitions.
Eventually, the powers that be decided that an unserious swim team was a blight on the city, or something, and reconfigured COAST to be more competitive. This pushed out folks like us.
I don't know why there isn't a place for recreational sports. It always seems to turn into an arms race.
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goallen
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11-10-10 05:15 PM - Post#121094
In response to Maurice
Not correct. ASA is a 501(c)(3) organization. They do maintain a small operating staff, but are largely operated by volunteers. They in fact recently moved offices up to the new facility near Hillside. Since it is, in essence, run by the community, those that take issue with its operations are encouraged to participate. They are always happy to accept more volunteers.
Their website is www.allensports.org.
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