Aolain
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08-29-10 05:12 PM - Post#117551
Not good, in my opinion.
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20100829/NEWS 01/...
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Jimi Ray Clapton
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08-29-10 05:15 PM - Post#117552
In response to Aolain
Like I said... how far away from ground zero do they have to go? Apparently Tennessee is not far enough.
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civicminded
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08-29-10 05:36 PM - Post#117555
In response to Jimi Ray Clapton
Ground Zero is a term the Media used for the NYC site, but this did not seem related to the mosque story there?
Always sad when people vandalize things. What their opinions are about this project however is a different kettle of fish.
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Maurice
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08-29-10 11:59 PM - Post#117579
In response to Aolain
Yes, definitely unsettling. I find it unsettling in two different ways, if it was arson those people need to be caught and brought to justice. The other bad option would be for it to have been self inflicted, to gain leverage as victims.
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sco
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08-30-10 07:42 AM - Post#117582
In response to Maurice
What possible reason would you even think that it was self inflicted? That doesn't even make any sense.
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Maurice
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08-30-10 08:17 AM - Post#117585
In response to sco
I said that could be another option and I explained why. It makes perfect sense as another option just as unsettling as it being set by an arsonist.
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MissingChico
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08-30-10 11:42 AM - Post#117603
In response to Maurice
I said that could be another option and I explained why. It makes perfect sense as another option just as unsettling as it being set by an arsonist.
Well it wer'nt as bad as our hero's dealt with on 9/11 I guess. Huh, Mo?
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Maurice
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08-30-10 02:22 PM - Post#117628
In response to MissingChico
What? Sorry, your post makes no sense.
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MissingChico
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08-30-10 02:50 PM - Post#117639
In response to Maurice
Just wanted to beat you to the punch before you cast suspicion on all Muslims over 9/11
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sco
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08-30-10 03:04 PM - Post#117645
In response to Maurice
I said that could be another option and I explained why. It makes perfect sense as another option just as unsettling as it being set by an arsonist.
The difference is that there is actual evidence to suggest arson as opposed to complete random speculation.
Edited by sco on 08-30-10 03:04 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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phantomcobra
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08-30-10 06:34 PM - Post#117662
In response to sco
So I guess what you are saying is it is impossible for someone who is a member there to do arson to their own place try to gain sympathy for the NYC project? I agree it is unlikely but Maurice is thinking outside the box. But it is also possible someone who is a member or member of a competing Mosque did the deed or because someone is mad at the owners/planners for something totally unrelated.
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sco
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08-30-10 08:28 PM - Post#117674
In response to phantomcobra
It is possible but to suggest such a thing based on absolutely nothing but random speculation is in my opinion inappropriate. I would also ask myself if I were to start thinking that way "Am I always this suspicious or only when it comes to Muslims?" If my house burned down, there was evidence of arson and somebody said "It sure would be bad if it were self inflicted to try to gain sympathy" I think I would find it deeply offensive.
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Jimi Ray Clapton
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08-30-10 08:36 PM - Post#117675
In response to sco
I agree, Susan.
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Maurice
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08-30-10 11:04 PM - Post#117686
In response to sco
The ATF is still investigating the incident, there has been reports of accelerant found on the equipment that caught fire but that is in question as they've since backed off that claim. It could very well simply be an accident, a leak somehow that caused a fire. It could be arson, a fire intentionally set for whatever reason. It could also be an incident that was setup, for whatever reason to generate sympathy.
You think it's outside the realm of possibility that it could be an incident created to generate sympathy? I'm confident it's one scenario the authorities are looking into, you need to rule out all possibilities when investigating something like that right?
As I said before, if it's arson those responsible need to be found, caught and brought to justice. I'm also open to the possibility that it was self inflicted, as I'm open to the possibility that it was a freak accident.
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Maurice
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08-30-10 11:08 PM - Post#117687
In response to phantomcobra
So I guess what you are saying is it is impossible for someone who is a member there to do arson to their own place try to gain sympathy for the NYC project? I agree it is unlikely but Maurice is thinking outside the box. But it is also possible someone who is a member or member of a competing Mosque did the deed or because someone is mad at the owners/planners for something totally unrelated.
It's not thinking outside the box, just standard common sense deduction of all possibilities as to what could be the cause. I'm sure the BATFE is looking into the same possibility along with all the others, to do otherwise would be poor police work. Then again, this is the ATF we're talking about here, so maybe I should amend that statement. lol
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Brewer
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08-31-10 04:02 PM - Post#117717
In response to Maurice
Some would use the term false flag.
Here are just a few more examples.
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/08/24/fake-hate- crime...
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Aolain
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08-31-10 08:57 PM - Post#117737
In response to Brewer
Police are now calling it arson.
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