barkman
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 02-09-11 06:54 PM - Post#125852
I played basket ball all my life and my 12 year old shares my passion. He's played in Frisco, Little Elm, Plano and most recently ASA.
I have never witnessed such rigid, thin skinned , egotitical ref.s...ever! From the coach's mtg.s before every game, to assigning bleachers to fans, to not allowing fans to scream too loudly!!! At one game the fans were actually assesed a technical foul!!
This is not criticism of on court calls - that can be very subjective. I have to wonder if these guys ever played basket ball themselves?
They absolutely robbed the fun from the game - we won't play there again.
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Brewer
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02-09-11 09:26 PM - Post#125863
In response to barkman
I was not there but that sounds pretty silly! Make sure you address it with ASA.
A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week.
-GEN George S. Patton
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barkman
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 02-10-11 09:35 AM - Post#125876
In response to Brewer
Brewer..I think I may have misplaced some of my frustration...thinking it may be ASA mgmt./leadership etc.
Most recently they rescheduled a game (do to weather)...no problem until I noticed the day and time.......Valentine's Day evening.....Yes, it's silly!...at best. Thnaks!
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vm7mm
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02-10-11 11:17 AM - Post#125890
In response to barkman
I coached several baseball teams with ASA and the referees were a joke. They were not familiar with the rules of the game. Several times, we even had to get the rule book out to prove them wrong. It's always good to have one handy if you are coaching.
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Brewer
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02-10-11 11:21 AM - Post#125892
In response to vm7mm
They had the u-5 girls playing at Celebration with no lights on in full darkness. "We forgot"
A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week.
-GEN George S. Patton
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Maurice
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02-10-11 01:33 PM - Post#125905
In response to Brewer
Referee's in most sports nowadays are pretty sad, it's just another way to make a buck for some people and sadly they really don't have the knowledge or past experience in their chosen sport as they should have.
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bshoking
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Loc: east side
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02-23-11 09:18 AM - Post#126587
In response to barkman
agreed!
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jmo
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03-16-11 02:43 PM - Post#127798
In response to bshoking
Just so everyone is on the same page, the refs are not ASA employees. They use an organization called NTISO, which is also used by most city sports leagues and even school sports. Part of the problem is these guys ref/ump many age groups and different leagues, all of which have different rules that they seem to have a problem remembering. Given that though, they do have a few good ones. The problem is though, there are not many other options.
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barkman
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03-16-11 03:43 PM - Post#127801
In response to jmo
....I held back a little when i posted my original comments. My son's team was still playing and I didn't want anything negative to befall his team. Now, the season is over and I'm proud to say we won the ASA 7th grade gold championship! Don't mind saying that now 'cause we will never play in Allen again. \
The ASA should be embarrassed by their ridiculous, egotistical, uneducated hollier than thou approach to sports.
Sports ultimately are meant to be fun! If fans are to afraid to cheer for their team - there's something wrong! Take a look at ANY basketball game (HHMMmm maybe the final four?) & count how many fans are given technicals for cheering!! How many fans are afraid they are sitting on the wrong side of the bleachers? How many athletes aren't allowed to drink Gatorade!
Allen you are a pathetic embarrassment to the sports community!
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rw
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03-18-11 01:44 PM - Post#127865
In response to barkman
So nothing has changed since our sone left ASA B Ball 6 years ago...wow.
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barkman
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03-21-11 02:23 AM - Post#127947
In response to rw
RW,
I guess not! I wasn't here 6 years ago but it's really bad now.
I'm thru complaining since we (meaning my son - not speaking for the team) won't ever play for ASA again.
But my son had his first spring season game at Fieldhouse in Frisco.....the difference was HUGE!!!!
The ref.s were fair (not perfect but even in their calls). They were also friendly towards the fans! One came over and asked us weren't we happy to be there (It was a 9:pm game on Sat. night! :o) ...and oh yeah....the fans actually cheered out-loud and had a good time along with the kids!! Lastly, the kids were even aloud to drink Gatorade!!
In all seriousness, Allen mgmt. should put aside their egos and come watch what could be in their program.
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sco
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03-21-11 07:44 AM - Post#127949
In response to barkman
I can't speak to the ASA as my kids haven't played for them for years. My comment is on your apparent horror that the kids aren't allowed to drink gatorade. If they are using school gyms, that rule likely comes from the school not the ASA. They don't want to clean up the mess if they get spilled. Is it really that unreasonable for the kids to drink water so they can keep the gyms clean?
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barkman
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03-21-11 02:19 PM - Post#127974
In response to sco
Hi Susan,
I may not have made the 'Gatorade' point clearly. It's not that the inability to drink Gatorade was horrific.... i included that to show the level of clueless-ness ignorance of sports which ASA demonstrated. Gatorade is the most widely accepted drink in every other gym (from pre-elementary to NBA) I've ever experienced.
AS far as distinguishing between ASA and the school system....I don't know who'd responsible specifically but I paid 1 reg. fee to ASA. Therefore, I expect them to take responsibility for the experience. ....like buying a car from a dealer and the next day the dash falls out.... do you say 'oh, Delco made those parts so it's OK?' Or do you demand the dealer fix it!...?
Thanks for responding!
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mcollins45
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03-22-11 05:41 PM - Post#128063
In response to barkman
Why would kids past the 6th grade play in ASA anyway? Shouldn’t they be on school teams? I think the middle schools still has tryouts for basketball? If they didn’t make the school team maybe they should look for other things to do??
From what I remember ASA uses school facilities and they have to go by the school policy of drinks in the gym. If you go to a middle school basketball game you can’t take drinks into the gym and the players drink only water in the gyms on the bench and at halftime they get water in the locker rooms. For years Allen teams all the way up to High School have done just fine with a little water.
At the ASA games I have been at there was no problem cheering on teams but when the out of control parents argue with the game officials and yell out about the calls being made of course there will be backlash and that is when there are issues.
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barkman
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03-22-11 06:25 PM - Post#128065
In response to mcollins45
Mcollins,
You seem to have introduced things you have limited knowledge of....
1) Why do 7th graders play in ASA winter league.....well. because ASA offers a 7th grade league!
2)The playing seasons do not conflict with our city's school ....for which he is starting point guard.
3)I never mentioned nor did I see unruly parents or anything close to a fight.
Lastly, Do you really think my Gatorade comment was the heart of my concern? I specifically responded above and said it was just one example of how outta touch I feel ASA is.
I respect any opinion you have but to make false assumptions should be regretful.
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SB
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03-25-11 02:02 PM - Post#128257
In response to barkman
I think that any concern in 7th grade athletics beyond just having fun playing the game is wrong headed. There is a later time when fine attention to rules and accurate officiating becomes important. My perspective comes from a background where I was a successful junior tennis player and in college, all conference in track and member of a national championship team in cross country.
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barkman
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03-25-11 04:07 PM - Post#128259
In response to SB
SB,
I couldn't agree with you more!! Although, I think we may be in the minority. On another thread somewhere asked how she could get around the 'missed 10 days of school' truancy fines. I (and a few others) responded...'why would you take your 5th grade daughter outta school to travel the country???' It was amazing how many people defended her!
One complication though, at some point 'fun' transitions from goofing off to playing well. I ask my son to use his intelligence at school & can't expect him to regress to a 4 year old just happy to run around in circles.
He knows Bball strategies, breaks down defenses, he understands the triangle offense....he is a the point where 'fun' is a more advanced level. SO, if he intentionally fouls a kid by wrapping him up safely, it's not fun to have a ref. call a technical...that's just ignorance of the game. Thanks!
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