rw
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02-21-11 02:42 PM - Post#126462
From Texas DPS: Conviction Rates for Concealed Handgun License Holders
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_...
Only 101 out of 65,561 convictions in Texas in 2009 were committed by CHL holders... (.1541%) There are roughly 470,000 CHL holders in Texas...
Pretty law abiding group! Remember, each CHL holder undergoes an FBI background check...in addition to 10 hours of training.
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Brewer
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02-21-11 03:09 PM - Post#126466
In response to rw
Stop injecting FACTS into this. It's all about FEELINGS.
A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week.
-GEN George S. Patton
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carygold
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02-21-11 03:31 PM - Post#126467
In response to Brewer
This has been mentioned before ... by me.
There is no question that law abiding citizens are law abiding. The act of getting a CHL is following the law.
Like I said, saying CHL is law abiding, is like saying a guitar player likes music.
But if you think a 6 to 10 hour gun course gives you the same skills of a police officer you're fooling yourself.
If CEO's increased their pay at the same rate as Average Americans
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Edited by carygold on 02-21-11 03:31 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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vm7mm
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02-21-11 04:11 PM - Post#126468
In response to carygold
Didn't our skilled police officers pull their guns on a mother and daughter by mistake at Watters Crossing a while back? Pretty foolish.
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/police-draw- guns-...
Skilled? That would be like me coming home and see a woman and a young lady leaving my house in a car and pulling a gun on them. I learned better than that in CHL classes.
Edited by vm7mm on 02-21-11 06:54 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Maurice
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02-22-11 10:06 AM - Post#126503
In response to vm7mm
I don't think anyone is looking at CHL holders as equal to peace officers Cary, the only thing they both have in common are being law abiding and having a firearm on their person.
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gringogigante
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05-10-11 07:48 PM - Post#131090
In response to Maurice
I tell my CHL students every single class that a CHL is nothing more than a license to carry a gun concealed in public...it is in no way training.
The good news? Training is really cheap, easily found, and an absollute blast.
These (guns) are not difficult machines to operate. I (and anyone with experience) can teach someone to operate them very safely in a couple of minutes. Getting the real training takes only a little more effort. There are classes all over the Metroplex. If y'all ever want to get a group together, let me know. I can teach them if they're small enough (I"ve gotten out of the firearms instruction business full-time and do it part time now) and can think of a dozen places right now that have basic handgun, shotgun, and rifle classes for around $100. You take 2 or 3 of those, and you've learned most of what cops know.
They are very simple. But...yes... people do need training.
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Maurice
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05-11-11 12:21 AM - Post#131105
In response to gringogigante
Yep, training of all sorts is key. Sadly, there's more 'chl training' than there are quality firearm classes and that's due to range restrictions a lot of the time. Practicing drawing and shooting as well as shooting while moving are vital. That reminds me, it's been a while since I've been to the range with all sorts of stuff going on in life I've not been out to shoot in too long. lol
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gringogigante
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05-11-11 08:54 AM - Post#131113
In response to Maurice
Yep, training of all sorts is key. Sadly, there's more 'chl training' than there are quality firearm classes and that's due to range restrictions a lot of the time. Practicing drawing and shooting as well as shooting while moving are vital. That reminds me, it's been a while since I've been to the range with all sorts of stuff going on in life I've not been out to shoot in too long. lol
You're right about that. There are a lot more CHL instructors due to lack of range space, insurance, etc. BUT fortunately we live in DfW and there are 10-12 ranges with classes within 30 minutes of us. Seriously.
Classes are everywhere. And way cheap. My favorite guy is over in Justin. I've worked with him and he's who I go to for training when I'm tired if teaching and just want to shoot.
He's in Justin and his name is Chris Rainey at Proactive Defense. Totally worth the drive.
The only place ibstay away from at all costs is The Bullet Trap. That place is massively over-expensive, very poorly vented, and run by mostly inept range nazi's that will bust your cajones and act tough due to a general lack of knowledge. I've had some very bad experiences there and so have my students.
Email me if you want to know others that ate close and worth the drive. For just basic range time, I ALWAYS go to the Garland Public Shooting Range. It's not much to look at but you can practice double taps, clearing malfunctions, mozambique drills, etc without them literally yelling at you. They are very nice folks. AND ITS ONLY $10 RO AHOOT ALL DAY!!! Love that place. It's where I do most of my classes.
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Maurice
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05-11-11 01:00 PM - Post#131156
In response to gringogigante
That's where I've gone is BT, they are over priced but I've not had too many problems with them on the range itself. They can be a little overzealous sometimes but mainly it's newer ones who aren't familiar with all the people. Of course they have all the restrictions in place most ranges due for safety reasons.
Never been to Garland, may have to give that place a shot some time (pun intended) and I have a gift card for Elm Fork I have to use sometime as well. Been too long, need to get out there again.
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