carygold
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06-03-11 12:17 PM - Post#132926
Okay... 300+ teachers are being laid off in Allen, and Amazon has not been paying sales taxes since 2005, per state law, so the state legislature creates a bill to collect back taxes and Rick "I hate education" Perry, vetoes the bill.
By the way I just ordered a book from Barnes and Noble and they charge Texas Sales tax...I am boycotting Amazon until they follow Texas Law. Right now Amazon as a company should face prosecution as far as I'm concerned... and Perry should be impeached for not doing his duty as the executive Law Enforcer as well... this sales tax with state location is nothing new.
I wonder how much money Amazon is giving to Rick Perry... he needs to be impeached.
Think Progress
After Gutting Education And Health Care Spending, Perry Vetoes Legislation Ending Amazon’s Tax Dodging
Star Telegram
In year's first veto, Perry kills Internet sales tax bill
Austin Statesman
Perry vetoes online sales tax bill, but measure may not be dead yet
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pup
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06-03-11 12:23 PM - Post#132929
In response to carygold
Perry is running for President and has no interest in doing anything for Texas.
Campaign time.
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sco
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06-03-11 03:43 PM - Post#132950
In response to pup
Perry has no intention of doing anything that might possibly be construed as not bowing down to business interests at all times. He is morally bankrupt and cares nothing for individual Texans.
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pup
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06-03-11 03:47 PM - Post#132953
In response to sco
Perry has long since passed over.
He is completely owned now.
Probably always was.
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Joe Schirmer
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06-03-11 05:58 PM - Post#132970
In response to carygold
Amazon has not been paying sales taxes since 2005, per state law, so the state legislature creates a bill to collect back taxes and Rick "I hate education" Perry, vetoes the bill.
Once again, Amazon owes no taxes!!!! Texas wants Amazon to collect sales tax from Texas residents. By Texas law you are responsible for sending in your Texas sales tax for any merchandise purchased online. (i.e. it is your taxes that Texas wants Amazon to collect for it.)
Have you followed the law and sent in your sales tax?
Edited by Joe Schirmer on 06-03-11 05:59 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Al C
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06-03-11 06:27 PM - Post#132971
In response to carygold
Okay... 300+ teachers are being laid off in Allen,
Can you provide a source for this?
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Michael
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06-03-11 06:58 PM - Post#132972
In response to carygold
Have you been watching this from the beginning? Probably not. Basically, Amazon said if they have to pay taxes, they will lay off all their workers and leave Texas. That's a lose-lose situation. Last I heard that's what they did. Now how does that pay teachers salaries if the company just leaves? Do teachers get paid from sales tax?
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sco
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06-03-11 07:15 PM - Post#132973
In response to Michael
That was an idle threat. Amazon is still operating the distribution center in Irving. They need a regional distribution center and they know it. We were also looking at a very small number of employees. Let's look at it another way. If Amazon isn't required to collect sales tax on the argument that their physical presence in Texas is owned by a subsidiary what is to stop Target, Best Buy, Walmart, etc. from separating their online sales to a subsidiary and declaring themselves exempt from collecting sales tax? That scenario will cost Texas a whole lot more in the long run. It only makes sense to clarify the law so that everybody is operating on an equal playing field. Perry is just sucking up like he always does.
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lostyankee
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06-03-11 08:36 PM - Post#132975
In response to Michael
They're not leaving. They need to pay up. It's a stupid loophole that needs to be closed to level the playing field among all retailers. And I'm NOT a fan of taxes, my posts bear that out. But fair is fair.
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lcr2004
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06-03-11 09:55 PM - Post#132981
In response to lostyankee
Fine, close the loophole. I'll then support Amazon 100% when they leave the state and lay off those workers. The costs of moving the distribution center to a less populous state will be tremendously greater than keeping one here. We'll just have a few more unemployed people around, fewer real estate and business property taxes being collected, and a longer shipping time on orders.
Fair is fair, after all.
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sco
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06-03-11 10:07 PM - Post#132982
In response to lcr2004
Will you support Target, Walmart, Best Buy, and every other retailer spinning their online operations off and refusing to collect sales taxes on everything they sell to Texans? You're missing the larger picture here. Do you realize we are talking about around 100 jobs. They claimed they were going to expand to up to 1000 jobs. That's still in the noise compared to the sales tax that could be collected from every retailer selling good online. Keep in mind also that Amazon claimed they were closing the facility in February but it is still operating.
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lostyankee
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06-04-11 11:14 AM - Post#132993
In response to lcr2004
Why should any retailer get an unfair advantage over another? If there were a nationwide agreement (one that was close to happening years ago but was squelched by the likes of Amazon, etc) then there would be no advantage to any retailer other than product and service, the way it should be. Now the government is interfering in selecting winners and losers in the retail landscape by acts of omission. )
You're right (I'm inferring ) that the tax should be a national mandate. Again, while I'm not a fan of taxes, a national law on sales tax would fall within the interstate commerce provision and is long overdue. Lack of a fair tax on goods sold is crippling our education system.
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Joe Schirmer
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06-05-11 12:39 PM - Post#133006
In response to lostyankee
You're right (I'm inferring ) that the tax should be a national mandate. Again, while I'm not a fan of taxes, a national law on sales tax would fall within the interstate commerce provision and is long overdue. Lack of a fair tax on goods sold is crippling our education system.
'm afraid that the solution isn't as clean as you portray it. If you made the sales tax a federal tax then that would take away one of the major sources of income for many states. In addition you would be increasing he power of the federal government over the state government.
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lostyankee
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06-05-11 04:00 PM - Post#133010
In response to Joe Schirmer
Sure it is. The retailer selling the product will have to collect the tax and remit to the state where the product is being sold. Not saying this would be a federal tax, not at all. The landscape of retailing has changed dramtically over the last ten years, and, not surprisingly, our government in it's archaic thinking isn't keeping pace.
I would never recommend having the federal government handle this money. Before long we'd be sending it to the south pole for jello wrestling matches: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/26/ta...
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Joe Schirmer
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06-05-11 09:31 PM - Post#133012
In response to lostyankee
Sure it is. The retailer selling the product will have to collect the tax and remit to the state where the product is being sold. Not saying this would be a federal tax, not at all. The landscape of retailing has changed dramtically over the last ten years, and, not surprisingly, our government in it's archaic thinking isn't keeping pace.
I would never recommend having the federal government handle this money. Before long we'd be sending it to the south pole for jello wrestling matches: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/26/ta...
If it was collected and controlled by each state then it wouldn't be a "national mandate". Already most states with a sales tax require that the residents who purchase items from an out of state business require the residents to send in the sales tax to the stat.
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carygold
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06-06-11 08:03 AM - Post#133017
In response to Joe Schirmer
Amazon has not been paying sales taxes since 2005, per state law, so the state legislature creates a bill to collect back taxes and Rick "I hate education" Perry, vetoes the bill.
Once again, Amazon owes no taxes!!!! Texas wants Amazon to collect sales tax from Texas residents. By Texas law you are responsible for sending in your Texas sales tax for any merchandise purchased online. (i.e. it is your taxes that Texas wants Amazon to collect for it.)
Have you followed the law and sent in your sales tax?
It is state law if you have a presence in the state (i.e. offices, warehouses, etc) you are required to collect and pay sales tax to the state.
The fact that Amazon failed to follow the law, does not mean they do not owe the taxes on sales, ask any business in Texas.
I have purchased items online from Borders, Barnes and Noble, Apple, and Dell and paid sales taxes on each item I purchased from them ... if they can follow the law then so can Amazon.
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Edited by carygold on 06-06-11 08:05 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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carygold
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06-06-11 08:17 AM - Post#133018
In response to Michael
Have you been watching this from the beginning? Probably not. Basically, Amazon said if they have to pay taxes, they will lay off all their workers and leave Texas. That's a lose-lose situation. Last I heard that's what they did. Now how does that pay teachers salaries if the company just leaves? Do teachers get paid from sales tax?
Amazon collects taxes for many states, KS, KY, ND, NY and WA. Why not Texas.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/disp lay.htm...
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mgrayar
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06-06-11 09:42 AM - Post#133028
In response to carygold
Just to clarify. The consumer pays sales tax. Companies in most cases collect it and remit it to the state. However, if you buy something and the company does not collect tax, the consumer is still responsible for sending the state a check.
So in the end, Texas residents owe Texas sales tax. Amazon failed to collect, but Texans are actually the ones who owe the money.
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Joe Schirmer
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06-06-11 10:05 AM - Post#133031
In response to carygold
Amazon has not been paying sales taxes since 2005, per state law, so the state legislature creates a bill to collect back taxes and Rick "I hate education" Perry, vetoes the bill.
Once again, Amazon owes no taxes!!!! Texas wants Amazon to collect sales tax from Texas residents. By Texas law you are responsible for sending in your Texas sales tax for any merchandise purchased online. (i.e. it is your taxes that Texas wants Amazon to collect for it.)
Have you followed the law and sent in your sales tax?
It is state law if you have a presence in the state (i.e. offices, warehouses, etc) you are required to collect and pay sales tax to the state.
Yes, it is the customer who pays the tax, not the company.
The fact that Amazon failed to follow the law, does not mean they do not owe the taxes on sales, ask any business in Texas.
From what I understand your first if is still in litigation.
I have purchased items online from Borders, Barnes and Noble, Apple, and Dell and paid sales taxes on each item I purchased from them ... if they can follow the law then so can Amazon.
In general, if a company does not charge state sales tax on your purchases then you are responsible for sending in the tax yourself. If you did not send in your taxes owned on the Amazon purchases then you did not not follow state law.
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Al C
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06-06-11 10:14 AM - Post#133033
In response to Al C
Okay... 300+ teachers are being laid off in Allen,
Can you provide a source for this?
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