vrs
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Posts: 2631
Loc: Allen, Texas
Reg: 04-20-00
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10-08-11 07:26 PM - Post#140447
For 1894 61.51%
Against 1185 38.49%
Early Voting totals
1313 additional ballots were cast today - results available after 8:30 p.m.
Thanks to all who voted! 
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Al C
enthusiast
Posts: 5538
Loc: McKinney/Allen, TX
Reg: 02-16-01
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10-08-11 07:34 PM - Post#140448
In response to vrs
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vrs
enthusiast
Posts: 2631
Loc: Allen, Texas
Reg: 04-20-00
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10-08-11 08:43 PM - Post#140452
In response to Al C
For 2645 60.50%
Against 1727 39.50%
Final Result
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TXHunter
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Posts: 42
Loc: Allen, Texas, USA
Reg: 06-26-00
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10-08-11 08:49 PM - Post#140453
In response to vrs
Outstanding.
Political Correctness: A liberal idea that holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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Al C
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Posts: 5538
Loc: McKinney/Allen, TX
Reg: 02-16-01
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10-08-11 08:49 PM - Post#140454
In response to vrs
Thank you voters!!!!!
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lostyankee
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Posts: 1263
Reg: 10-27-05
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10-08-11 08:55 PM - Post#140455
In response to Al C
Good news for our kids
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eddie
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Posts: 24
Reg: 08-30-11
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10-08-11 08:58 PM - Post#140457
In response to lostyankee
Although I am happy with the results, I completely understand the opposition. They raised good points the district should take seriously.
I apologize again for my earlier admonishment for flaming.
And thank goodness for the rain.
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optimist
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Posts: 61
Reg: 08-13-11
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10-08-11 08:58 PM - Post#140458
In response to vrs
Great news for our kids and teachers! Hopefully, we can continue our efforts and work to fix school funding in Texas!
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zaphoid
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Posts: 517
Loc: Allen
Reg: 05-30-08
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10-08-11 09:03 PM - Post#140459
In response to optimist
Great news for our community
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TXHunter
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Posts: 42
Loc: Allen, Texas, USA
Reg: 06-26-00
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10-08-11 09:06 PM - Post#140460
In response to optimist
Both sides in this debate should now join forces to put pressure on Austin and clean up this mess.
Great news for our kids and teachers! Hopefully, we can continue our efforts and work to fix school funding in Texas!
Political Correctness: A liberal idea that holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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sco
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Posts: 2669
Loc: allen,TX USA
Reg: 10-26-02
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10-08-11 09:18 PM - Post#140463
In response to TXHunter
Both sides in this debate should now join forces to put pressure on Austin and clean up this mess.
Great news for our kids and teachers! Hopefully, we can continue our efforts and work to fix school funding in Texas!
Amen to that! The election results are good news to me. I must admit I was worried.
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TXHunter
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Posts: 42
Loc: Allen, Texas, USA
Reg: 06-26-00
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10-08-11 10:06 PM - Post#140469
In response to sco
Amen to that! The election results are good news to me. I must admit I was worried.
You were not alone. A lot of people breathing easier tonight. I know there's relief in this house.
Political Correctness: A liberal idea that holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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txfeinbergs
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Posts: 27
Reg: 09-30-11
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10-08-11 10:11 PM - Post#140470
In response to eddie
Although I am happy with the results, I completely understand the opposition. They raised good points the district should take seriously.
I apologize again for my earlier admonishment for flaming.
And thank goodness for the rain.
Thank you eddie for not being a gloater.
Unfortunately, I have 0 faith in our district, our state, or our national government to handle anything even remotely concerning financial discipline. If historical precident is taken into account, we are pretty much doomed as a nation. As so many have stated on here, spend spend spend is the motto of the day, damn the consequences... as long as the children have a good education. I am afraid the consequences will be our children in servitude to China, with no social security, or medical care. The sweat shops are going to be over here in the near future. We are only a few short years away from that if the status quo continues.
Look at all the college kids graduating with an excellent education, 50+ thousand dollars in debt, can't find any work and are moving back in with their parents and have no future. How are all the people voting yes for this going to address that critical issue when they have shown no desire to swallow any sort of bitter pill now to make a better future for their children later.
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No2Tax
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Posts: 7
Reg: 10-06-11
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10-08-11 10:25 PM - Post#140471
In response to sco
I find it very offensive that no one really considered the other people in Allen that are of lower "means" than the "yes" voters or the other people in Allen that have lost their jobs, lost their savings, and/or lost their houses because of this horrible economey.
I especially thought it was very rude and uncivil that someone said they felt the "no" voters could come up with the $300 in less than 3 months.
I guess there will be more people on the street corners now with their hand out because they need it to come up with this extra money that is supposedly already in their pockets for the greedy to take. This week I saw a lady with a sign on a corner here in Allen asking for food.
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vrs
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Posts: 2631
Loc: Allen, Texas
Reg: 04-20-00
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10-08-11 10:52 PM - Post#140472
In response to No2Tax
I find it very offensive that no one really considered the other people in Allen that are of lower "means" than the "yes" voters or the other people in Allen that have lost their jobs, lost their savings, and/or lost their houses because of this horrible economy.
I think there were a number of people on the other thread who acknowledged the real difficulty that a "yes" vote might pose for some families. Here is one:
After much serious consideration, I went by and voted YES for the proposal a bit ago.
I found most arguments here of dire predictions of the end of Allen and education as we know it to be empty and unconvincing to me.
What swayed me the most is who we are asking to pay for the government's latest failure....the working middle class. The teachers that are on the chopping block.
I also found the "it's only a cup of coffee a day" argument to be an empty one also. We have a significant amount of families right here in Allen that this tax increase will impact greatly in a negative manner, and that what was the hardest for me to overcome. There are some that flat cannot afford this hike, no matter how we try to justify it. Remember those too when you decide.
What I can afford is completely and utterly irrelevant, I'm not just raising taxes on me, I'm raising them on my next door neighbor that lives paycheck to paycheck. (emphasis mine)
But to me, laying off more people in this terrible economy and negatively impacting the students that need extra instruction the most isn't any kind of a solution either.
In short, I'm not willing to punish teachers by taking their jobs and the students that HAVE to have them for our failures of voting in idiots to Austin.
What I personally have said several times is that I understand that this will be financially difficult for some residents - no judgment, no minimization. I have been there.
I think your statement that those who supported the TRE never considered the financial hardship it might pose to some residents is both untrue and unfair. But I understand your frustration. Far more than you may imagine. I sincerely hope your circumstances improve.
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PS59
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Posts: 9
Reg: 11-23-09
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10-08-11 10:56 PM - Post#140473
In response to txfeinbergs
Although I am happy with the results, I completely understand the opposition. They raised good points the district should take seriously.
I apologize again for my earlier admonishment for flaming.
And thank goodness for the rain.
Thank you eddie for not being a gloater.
Unfortunately, I have 0 faith in our district, our state, or our national government to handle anything even remotely concerning financial discipline. If historical precident is taken into account, we are pretty much doomed as a nation. As so many have stated on here, spend spend spend is the motto of the day, damn the consequences... as long as the children have a good education. I am afraid the consequences will be our children in servitude to China, with no social security, or medical care. The sweat shops are going to be over here in the near future. We are only a few short years away from that if the status quo continues.
Look at all the college kids graduating with an excellent education, 50+ thousand dollars in debt, can't find any work and are moving back in with their parents and have no future. How are all the people voting yes for this going to address that critical issue when they have shown no desire to swallow any sort of bitter pill now to make a better future for their children later.
I voted YES but I actually agree with a lot of what you stated. Unfortunately, the apathy you see in the Allen vote reflects what we see nationwide. Decisions are made by the few of us on each side that can actually be bothered to vote.
We don't live in a third world country, we are not ruled by a Royal Family or a Dictatorship and we have had a free, democratic vote for a couple of centuries. That has led to us being a nation of apathy.
Life is good; regardless of which party is in power our lives don't get THAT much better or worse. Taxes go up and down slightly, state autonomy goes up or down slightly, defense spending goes up or down slightly.
I agree with you on the issues you highlight, I just differ with you on the short & long term solutions.
I have faith in Allen ISD; the state and the nation are completely out of control. If you look at AISD accounting and the State Comptroller's report you will find that AISD is one of the most cost effecively run districts in Texas. Could they do better...Yes...are they already amongst the best...Yes!
The fact that our kids are graduating with $50,000 of debt and with no jobs is an indictment of the College education system not our school district. College marketing leads us to believe that our kids need to go to "better" schools to succeed. Due to that, the only market that is continuing to grow (apart form Healthcare) is Education. College costs have gone up way more than inflation for the past 10+ years. Many colleges (especially the private schools that set their own rules) have hugely diverse curriculums. I went to one information session (Columbia) where I was told that a Liberal Arts Major could customize their major to almost anything...including Medieval Folk Dancing!
Sorry to get off topic but my main point is that Allen is a pretty well run ISD in my opinion and the woes of our educucation system lie elsewhere.
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optimist
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Posts: 61
Reg: 08-13-11
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10-08-11 11:16 PM - Post#140474
In response to No2Tax
Please don't make the assumption that those voting for the TRE have a large income. I am sure some do; however, many of us live in simple homes, have taken pay cuts recently, and have lost in our retirement accounts as well. We all have neighbors or know someone who is out of work and struggling.
My voting 'yes' to the TRE was based on the needs of children and teachers in Allen, and on information gathered over the past six to eight months about school funding. My decision was not made lightly, as my taxes will be going up too.
I pray constantly for this community and give thanks that my family and I live here. I will continue to pray for those who are experiencing great difficulty right now, as well as for the AISD to continue to use the funds appropriately.
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PS59
newbie
Posts: 9
Reg: 11-23-09
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10-08-11 11:43 PM - Post#140475
In response to No2Tax
I find it very offensive that no one really considered the other people in Allen that are of lower "means" than the "yes" voters or the other people in Allen that have lost their jobs, lost their savings, and/or lost their houses because of this horrible economey.
I especially thought it was very rude and uncivil that someone said they felt the "no" voters could come up with the $300 in less than 3 months.
I guess there will be more people on the street corners now with their hand out because they need it to come up with this extra money that is supposedly already in their pockets for the greedy to take. This week I saw a lady with a sign on a corner here in Allen asking for food.
I find it offensive that you think anyone who voted YES didn't consider those who were less fortunate. I was laid off and without work for a long time. I found a job at a lower wage. I still voted YES because I think it was the right thing to do for OUR kids!
I am sorry if this is a finacial burden on you...it is on me too.
Ultimately, our kids will benefit.
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No2Tax
newbie
Posts: 7
Reg: 10-06-11
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10-09-11 12:39 AM - Post#140477
In response to PS59
I find it very offensive that no one really considered the other people in Allen that are of lower "means" than the "yes" voters or the other people in Allen that have lost their jobs, lost their savings, and/or lost their houses because of this horrible economey.
I especially thought it was very rude and uncivil that someone said they felt the "no" voters could come up with the $300 in less than 3 months.
I guess there will be more people on the street corners now with their hand out because they need it to come up with this extra money that is supposedly already in their pockets for the greedy to take. This week I saw a lady with a sign on a corner here in Allen asking for food.
I find it offensive that you think anyone who voted YES didn't consider those who were less fortunate. I was laid off and without work for a long time. I found a job at a lower wage. I still voted YES because I think it was the right thing to do for OUR kids!
I am sorry if this is a finacial burden on you...it is on me too.
Ultimately, our kids will benefit.
I really was referring to one user's post from the thread about the the TRE tax increase that closed earlier tonight after the results were in, I am sorry I didn't include their username in my posting here.
Yes there were several people that mentioned how the tax increase would be a definate burden on some people, I agree that was said by some that probably did vote yes.
It is very financially frustrating for my family to have to come up with this extra money by December. I do not know how we will be able to manage it.
People do need to realize though that the teachers in Allen are very good and should be able to handle a few extra students in their classes and that "our kids" are resilant and if all the parents really do their job as a parent "the kids" will be just fine. I mean this in the most sincere way.
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txfeinbergs
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Posts: 27
Reg: 09-30-11
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10-09-11 12:48 AM - Post#140478
In response to PS59
Thank you PS59, your comments actually make me feel better about coming out on the losing side of this vote. I am going to try and put this whole ordeal behind me now as best I can.
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