will
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10-09-11 08:02 AM - Post#140480
In response to txfeinbergs
I certainly appreciate the difficulty in coming up with additional tax money in such a short period of time. A change like this late in the year can throw anyone's budget off. I hope that everyone is able to weather these difficult times and that those struggling the most will see some income/payroll tax relief next year that can help offset the unexpected expense associated with the TRE.
I do believe that the district is managed in a fiscally resposible way (there will always be examples to the contrary in any organization). Just as the City of Allen has lowered its tax rate on a consistent basis, I have faith that AISD would lower its rate if it can be done. For that to happen, everyone needs to implore the state legislators to fix the education funding mess that they have created.
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Al C
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10-09-11 09:41 AM - Post#140481
In response to will
As a yes voter, I can certainly understand the no votes. Yeah, times are tight. Even a little extra expense is hard to come up with. I am also in the paycheck-to-paycheck crowd. We've made cuts and changes and still have more to cut. But as another poster stated, I took a look at the facts and supported this TRE because in the long run it is the most beneficial to our community as a whole. I did not want to see up to 100 teachers lose their jobs or a needed elementary school not be built while student population continued to grow.
Those that will struggle to come up with the extra have my sympathies. It's tough. I know ... I've been there too many times.
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lcr2004
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10-09-11 10:04 AM - Post#140482
In response to Al C
All the more reason to get out of AISD in the next few years.
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SB
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10-09-11 10:31 AM - Post#140484
In response to lcr2004
And leave to what and where?
Education is essential to the viability of ours or any community. It's not free - anywhere. All the Texas public schools are suffering in this economic climate. Private schools? Sometimes they are better quality and sometimes not, but they are almost always more expensive. Reported comparative analysis of Allen and other state public schools indicated Allen to be a fiscally efficient school system. Allen students are learning and achieving. What we are paying for, and what this TRE helps maintain is quality education. No student going through the AISD schools should find their future limited by the educational foundation available to them in AISD. Thanks to those who supported it and thanks to those who didn't support it in the election but will as we go forward.
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Al C
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10-09-11 11:24 AM - Post#140485
In response to lcr2004
All the more reason to get out of AISD in the next few years.
Moving is expensive. Just a thought.
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Nutmeg
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10-09-11 01:08 PM - Post#140489
In response to lcr2004
Because none of the other districts in Texas are having fiscal difficulties....?
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vrs
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10-09-11 01:37 PM - Post#140490
In response to Nutmeg
About half the districts in Texas have passed TRE's and their rates are over $1.04 for M&O.
I recently saw research that said only 102 Texas districts (out of more than 1000) have the capacity to raise M&O rates without a TRE. The other 900+ districts either are at the cap or have already held a TRE.
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lostyankee
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10-09-11 03:38 PM - Post#140493
In response to vrs
I'm curious how long it will take the national media to cover this election win. Will Allen make the news for supporting education AND a football stadium? Doubt it.
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optimist
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10-09-11 04:10 PM - Post#140494
In response to lostyankee
I'm curious how long it will take the national media to cover this election win. Will Allen make the news for supporting education AND a football stadium? Doubt it.
I couldn't find it in the Dallas Morning News today! Was it even there?
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sco
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10-09-11 05:11 PM - Post#140497
In response to will
I certainly appreciate the difficulty in coming up with additional tax money in such a short period of time. A change like this late in the year can throw anyone's budget off. I hope that everyone is able to weather these difficult times and that those struggling the most will see some income/payroll tax relief next year that can help offset the unexpected expense associated with the TRE.
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I too am sympathetic to people who have to come up with the extra money by the time taxes are due. However, I believe it should only be a lump sum for those that pay their taxes in a lump sum. Many if not most pay through an escrow account which should hopefully spread the pain out a little.
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readingu
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10-09-11 06:07 PM - Post#140499
In response to sco
Really?
Now the advocates of more taxes are have an insight to how some of the masses pay their taxes.
Pain is...
No kids, no house payment, no escrow. No increment in net pay in over a decade.
More expense in food, utilities, overall life in general and the biggest one is ISD's that govern and spend our money. How genius!
So when is the VW bus going to Austin. Become a becon for the cause that some have ranted about for the last 2 months.
We will be waiting to read in a paper that has increased from 81.00 from '01 to 191.00 in '11 for 6 months.
remember (Just a cup of coffee a day)
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Al C
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10-09-11 06:58 PM - Post#140502
In response to readingu
Edited by Al C on 10-09-11 07:48 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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vrs
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 10-09-11 07:31 PM - Post#140505
In response to readingu
In 2000-2001, the combined tax rate for Allen ISD was $1.80 as opposed to the recently ratified $1.67 for 2011-2012. If your ISD tax bill has gone up substantially over the last decade given a 13 cent decrease in tax rate then you have enjoyed considerable appreciation in home value over that period of time.
At least part of that appreciation is directly attributable to the quality of the schools. It appears the ISD has been a good investment after all - apparently outperforming the rest of your portfolio.
You are correct, however, in noting that this election cannot be over here. More change is required and an energized electorate will be required to achieve it.
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common sense
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10-09-11 08:09 PM - Post#140506
In response to vrs
In 2000-2001, the combined tax rate for Allen ISD was $1.80 as opposed to the recently ratified $1.67 for 2011-2012. If your ISD tax bill has gone up substantially over the last decade given a 13 cent decrease in tax rate then you have enjoyed considerable appreciation in home value over that period of time.
At least part of that appreciation is directly attributable to the quality of the schools. It appears the ISD has been a good investment after all - apparently outperforming the rest of your portfolio.
You are correct, however, in noting that this election cannot be over here. More change is required and an energized electorate will be required to achieve it.
Blah, blah, blah..
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lcr2004
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10-09-11 09:40 PM - Post#140511
In response to common sense
Yeah, it was $1.80 vs a lower rate now...because of the state funding change in 2006. We were at $1.94 in 2004.
Funny how that change is complained about on one end (correctly, due to it's unsustainability), and used as as sign of fiscal prudence on the other.
FACT - 2011 tax rates
Frisco $1.42 (AFTER recent increase)
Plano $1.37 (AFTER recent increase)
Lovejoy $1.535
McKinney $1.54
Prosper $1.63
Wylie $1.64
Carroll ISD $1.415
Keller ISD $1.54
Coppell ISD $1.42
Richardson $1.34
Garland ISD $1.25
Mesquite ISD $1.42
Rockwall ISD $1.47
Allen $1.67
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vrs
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10-09-11 09:52 PM - Post#140513
In response to lcr2004
ru wrote
"... More expense in food, utilities, overall life in general and the biggest one is ISD's that govern and spend our money...."
Therefore, the statement under discussion was not a comparison of current rates vs. other districts (whilst carefully omitting the comparison in dollars per student which is a more practical measure of resource available to run the schools) either today or in the past.
Rather, it was the assertion that the greatest cost of living increase in the past decade was ISD taxes.
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txfeinbergs
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10-09-11 10:27 PM - Post#140514
In response to lcr2004
Yeah, it was $1.80 vs a lower rate now...because of the state funding change in 2006. We were at $1.94 in 2004.
Funny how that change is complained about on one end (correctly, due to it's unsustainability), and used as as sign of fiscal prudence on the other.
FACT - 2011 tax rates
Frisco $1.42 (AFTER recent increase)
Plano $1.37 (AFTER recent increase)
Lovejoy $1.535
McKinney $1.54
Prosper $1.63
Wylie $1.64
Carroll ISD $1.415
Keller ISD $1.54
Coppell ISD $1.42
Richardson $1.34
Garland ISD $1.25
Mesquite ISD $1.42
Rockwall ISD $1.47
Allen $1.67
So basically, I could lower my property tax almost $1000 every year by moving a few miles away to Plano or even Frisco. Something to consider.
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lcr2004
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10-09-11 11:00 PM - Post#140516
In response to txfeinbergs
But those cities have less town pride because they have more than one high school and normal football stadiums...surely you don't want that.
God forbid your kid has anything less than the absolute cutting-edge, top-notch technology and facilities. What kind of parent are you, anyway?
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will
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10-10-11 09:40 AM - Post#140521
In response to txfeinbergs
For a $200,000 home, you would be looking at something like $600 per year, but yes, property taxes in neighboring cities are currently lower than they are in Allen (the combined tax rate in McKinney is very close). Whether this will continue is anyone's guess. Plano (city - I do not know about ISD) has had to make significant cuts over the past few years, so that rate may have to go up as Plano approaches build out. Frisco may be able to sustain lower rates for a longer period because it continues to grow its commercial tax base. Allen is around a decade behind Frisco in terms of its commercial boom.
Suburbs, at least here, tend to have a tax life cycle that starts with fairly low taxes while they are sleepy towns in the country. As development takes hold, taxes go up to pay for everything. As more commercial taxpayers come into the picture, the tax rate may go down or at least stabilize. Once a taxing entity has the bulk of the commercial development it is going to get, it can no longer bank on huge increases to its tax base (as Plano has for years). Then comes the day of reckoning when residents have to decide what level of services will be provided as they settle into life as part of a metroplex. Allen is still early on in this process.
You may look at relative tax rates 10 years from now and they will not have changed. Unlikely, but possible. The question that only you can answer is whether you believe that you are in Allen for the long haul or whether moving is worth the transaction costs involved. Those would likely eat up 5 years of tax savings.
I am not sure if you were joshing or serious about moving. If you are serious, you have a lot to consider with respect to your gamble on the expenses of living in any particular town. Best of luck - it's a difficult decision, but everyone has to do what is right for their situation.
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txfeinbergs
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10-10-11 11:34 AM - Post#140527
In response to will
No, not really considering moving as I have been here 16 years, just still venting based on how pissed off I am on the election outcome, tax disparity, and a 8.5% tax increase (or whatever the hell it is, too damn much anyway).
As a new family moving into the area though, I would look at the tax rates of all the various cities and would avoid Allen like the plague. The school districts of Plano and Frisco are excellent as well (and they manage to do it for a lot less than Allen apparently requires).
Edited by txfeinbergs on 10-10-11 11:36 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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