Brewer
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10-10-11 11:45 PM - Post#140591
If you answer please give a rationale.
Which of the following would have the capacity of 1 milliliter?
a.water bottle
b.paper clip
c.1 DROP from an eye dropper.
d. small fingernail.
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texmomma
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10-11-11 12:03 AM - Post#140592
In response to Brewer
"Capacity" means the amount of a substance that a container or vessel is "capable" of holding.
So I would say the eye dropper, since a paper clip and a fingernail wouldn't hold a liquid, and a water bottle would be capable of holding much more than a ml.
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10-11-11 03:14 PM - Post#140629
In response to texmomma
If you were to read more carefully....
c. 1 drop from an eye dropper, not an eye dropper.
Edited by vm7mm on 10-11-11 03:16 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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10-11-11 08:37 PM - Post#140647
In response to vm7mm
I did read it carefully. 1 drop from an eyedropper would be much closer to 1 ml than any of the other options.
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10-11-11 09:21 PM - Post#140649
In response to Brewer
paper clip - I can bend it into a shape that will hold 1ml using capillary forces.
I have really really tiny hands.
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10-11-11 09:59 PM - Post#140650
In response to DrivinTooFast
Probably d. small fingernail. Because the fingernail (otherwise known as keratin) is made from the human body which is made of about 70% water. I believe a milliliter is about 20 drops, I could be wrong. We had this question in elementary school, trick question.
Edited by vm7mm on 10-11-11 10:27 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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10-12-11 12:09 AM - Post#140652
In response to vm7mm
Either the Jolly Green Giant's eye dropper or Tom Thumb's water bottle. 
"It's a bogus question."
Marisa Tomei in My Cousin Vinny
And I believe that Brewer is going to come back and make an (anti-public education) point with it. Watch this space.....
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 10-12-11 12:40 AM - Post#140653
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"Cause Chevy didn't make a 327 in 55. The 327 didn't come out until 62. And it wasn't offered in the Bel Air with the four barrel carb 'til 64. However, in 1964, the correct ignition timing would be four degrees before top dead center."
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10-12-11 04:41 AM - Post#140654
In response to tobywong419
a. Water bottle
Water bottle has a much greater capacity than 1ml so it certainly has the capacity for a smaller volume of 1ml. An eye dropper might have the capacity for 1ml but a single drop? Not likely. Volume of a paper clip or small fingernail would seem to be less than 1ml so they are unlikely choices. I can see where a more sophisticated solution involving a paper clip or fingernail might be possible but since the question is directed towards elementary aged kids, it's probably meant to be a simple exercise in recognition of the volume of 1ml.
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10-12-11 05:14 PM - Post#140699
In response to SB
The "answer" is C.
C can't really be the answer for two reasons. 1. The question states that the answer will have CAPACITY. While a drop has mass and area it does not have any capacity. Does a bowling ball have capacity?
2. One hanging drop of water is 1/20 ml not one ml as the question implies.
When I brought this to the attention of my son's teacher she told me she would speak to the "Science Cadre" and revise it for next year.
Then, I got an e-mail from the cadre
representative that flat out defends the question and answer," This would be the most logical response since it is the closest to hold a milliliter (SIC)", I wrote to the principal and the board. The only response that I have received so far is that the "District Science Coordinator" is reviewing my question.
The "science cadre" should take more time writing clear,cogent and fact based test questions and less time defending faulty questions with twisted logic and garbage.
"One of the most important aspects about science is that we are always looking for logical and reasonable answers" Allen Science Cadre Member.
If that was the case then hundreds of developments that make no sense on paper would have been discounted before they were even conceived.. Sounds like crap and smells like crap and is being feed to our children.
Enjoy that stadium. Maybe our kids will be qualified to cut the grass there.
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10-12-11 05:15 PM - Post#140700
In response to tobywong419
Thanks for the levity Toby. I can't turn that movie off. Marisa is the HAWT!
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10-12-11 06:07 PM - Post#140703
In response to Brewer
Your point is correct - capacity is generally defined as the maximum amount that something can contain (such as the new stadium has a new seating capacity of 5,000). So, if the question had been about the eye dropper, it would have been fine, but since it was the liquid it is incorrect.
Sounds like the person who developed the question doesn't want to lose face by admitting it was a poorly designed question. A shame for both the kids and the test creator.
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10-12-11 09:13 PM - Post#140705
In response to Brewer
If that was the case then hundreds of developments that make no sense on paper would have been discounted before they were even conceived.. Sounds like crap and smells like crap and is being feed to our children.
Enjoy that stadium. Maybe our kids will be qualified to cut the grass there.
As a parent, if I sincerely felt my children were not receiving a quality education attending the schools within the district I lived, I would not hesitate to move, send them to a private school, or home school them! I am new to this forum, but from the posts I have read I get the distinct feeling that safety and quality are lacking in your opinion. I would NEVER subject my children to such an inferior education if I had such strong beliefs! I guess I am wondering ... Why do you allow your children to suffer in such an unsafe and low quality system?
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10-12-11 09:54 PM - Post#140708
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Are we cross? If I thought we couldn't be friends I just don't know if I could bear it.
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10-12-11 10:10 PM - Post#140711
In response to Brewer
Are we cross? If I thought we couldn't be friends I just don't know if I could bear it.
I'm your huckleberry! I have no reason to be cross ... and consider you neither friend nor foe! I am just sincerely curious how a parent could be so seemingly distraught about his child's education (to the point of only being able to cut stadium turf) and not make a change. My guess is that the school must not be quite as bad as it is portrayed! 
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10-13-11 09:31 AM - Post#140728
In response to optimist
I am just sincerely curious how a parent could be so seemingly distraught about his child's education (to the point of only being able to cut stadium turf) and not make a change. My guess is that the school must not be quite as bad as it is portrayed!
I've been wondering the same thing myself for quite some time. If I was sooooo dissatisfied with my children's education specifically in AISD, I'd do something about it.
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10-13-11 10:19 AM - Post#140729
In response to jogo
This reply is to the thread in general. Yes, the question is poorly worded. One poorly worded question hardly indicts an entire program. I have seen enough from the OP to believe that the tone of his message to the science coordinator probably immediately put him/her on the defensive, hence the defensive response. That is human nature. I think we have bigger fish to fry
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10-13-11 01:42 PM - Post#140742
In response to sco
I had many tests in college where the professor purposely worded questions this way and instructed the class to choose the most correct or least wrong answer.
I've also run across numerous such situations in professional certification testing.
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Brewer
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10-13-11 02:49 PM - Post#140748
In response to r75002
This is FOURTH GRADE not grad school!
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10-13-11 04:12 PM - Post#140751
In response to sco
You are correct. One poorly worded question is not the end of the world. It was the defense of the question and the statement regarding ...logical and reasonable answers that are the biggest issue with me.
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Brewer
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10-13-11 04:15 PM - Post#140752
In response to Brewer
Here is another poorly worded question from the same exam.
"What lab tool would you use to measure the capacity of milk is in our school milk containers?"
So I am guessing there is a graduated cylinder packed in every half pint of milk.
That is poor editing and you think before a test went out to the district from the Science Cadre that it would have been proofed.
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10-13-11 05:54 PM - Post#140758
In response to Brewer
I agree with Brewer. I too have never made an error over the course of my life and will not tolerate any errors by others. If Allen ISD staff can not be perfect then they have no business being in the education business.
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Brewer
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10-13-11 06:24 PM - Post#140760
In response to SB
It is not the making of the error, it is the silly circling of the wagons and defending an indefensible position that irks me.
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10-13-11 08:05 PM - Post#140766
In response to Brewer
Here's my experience in working with the head of the Science department in the Allen ISD. I had an issue last year relating to the middle school science fair. I sent a politely worded letter to the head of the science department explaining what I thought was the problem and offering suggestions for how we as a district could do a better job. I got a prompt response acknowledging the issue and assurance that he would look into it. In the end the issue was resolved to my satisfaction. As my mother would have said "you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."
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10-13-11 08:56 PM - Post#140767
In response to sco
I know I haven't been here very long, so maybe I am missing the running joke. How does a math and science question immediately turn into an anti-AISD issue - regardless if they are worded poorly. (and believe me, I am not exactly a strong AISD advocate after the recent rediculous tax increase).
You will have strong and weak performers in every company. You can't say because one teacher is lacking in the ability to write clear test questions, all of the AISD is bad (assuming that is even what you are getting at). If I was taking that test, I would write in the reason for what I chose, or else I would have approached the teacher to ask for clarification.
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Brewer
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10-13-11 10:26 PM - Post#140772
In response to sco
I'm glad he responded to you. He is supposed to be getting back to me too and I will keep you posted. I suspect more explanation as to why the question was just fine will be forthcoming.
A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week.
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Edited by Brewer on 10-13-11 10:28 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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MikeC
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10-14-11 12:33 AM - Post#140776
In response to Brewer
In what context were the questions given? Where they to guess or had they been provided guidance for this quiz?
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10-14-11 07:21 AM - Post#140782
In response to MikeC
I have a general question about the test.
The way I've read this it looks like the teachers arent writing the tests. Is that correct? Additionally it also sounds like the teachers are not proofing the tests before administering them. Is that also correct?
I'm just trying to get information, not flame or attack anyone.
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10-14-11 07:23 AM - Post#140783
In response to MikeC
The quiz was following a "four day lab".
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Brewer
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10-14-11 07:27 AM - Post#140784
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The only information that the school has passed is that the "Allen Science Cadre" wrote the test. The campus rep of the cadre is the person that wrote the reply to me defending and justifying the question.
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Brewer
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10-18-11 07:57 AM - Post#140936
In response to Brewer
Over a week later and no response from the district.
A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week.
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10-18-11 03:21 PM - Post#140954
In response to Brewer
Is this AllenISD? If you sent a message via skyward, resend it using email. Skyward messages sometimes get lost. I had the same experience of unanswered messages getting lost. Good Luck
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Brewer
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10-18-11 03:28 PM - Post#140955
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Thanks. I have sent it via e-mail. B
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