carygold
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03-18-12 03:47 PM - Post#146716
In response to Maringa
Your driver's license does not indicate you are a citizen either. I am not sure if registering to vote proves anything but you will be on the list just by filling out a card.
Today, I can use my voter registration card to vote. Which means I'm already on the list to vote. Now, why can't I use the only picture ID I have with my voter registration card, in this case a student ID with a photo?
The answer is simple, the chances are greater as a student, I might vote Democrat, by adding an extra hurdle I might not vote.
Again, there has been NO ONE caught committing voter fraud in Texas in the last ten years, maybe longer. This is not law to solve a current problem. It does feed into the right wing paranoia, and it does create extra burdens on those that primarily vote democrat.
Making people that ride a bus, and work by the hour take time out of their work week, which costs money, to spend up to a whole day standing in line to get a Voter ID card is a pole tax and intended to keep those people from voting.
Its that simple.
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mgrayar
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03-18-12 05:50 PM - Post#146721
In response to carygold
Cary, are you sure your not exaggerating just a bit?
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03-18-12 09:23 PM - Post#146728
In response to mgrayar
No, he's not exaggerating. He is accurately stating the real underlying purpose of these voter ID efforts.
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richardb
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03-18-12 10:33 PM - Post#146731
In response to carygold
The answer is simple, the chances are greater as a student, I might vote Democrat, by adding an extra hurdle I might not vote.
There's no proof this is true.
Again, there has been NO ONE caught committing voter fraud in Texas in the last ten years, maybe longer.
You're absolutely 100% correct. If no one's been caught, there must not have been any fraud. Or perhaps people have been getting away with fraud because there WAS NO IDENTIFICATION REQUIREMENT.
Is it that difficult to understand.
It does feed into the right wing paranoia, and it does create extra burdens on those that primarily vote democrat.
No proof this is true.
Making people that ride a bus, and work by the hour take time out of their work week, which costs money, to spend up to a whole day standing in line to get a Voter ID card is a pole tax and intended to keep those people from voting.
No proof this is true. If they have to ride the bus, work by the hour or have to stand in line to get the proper ID, how different is that from them taking the same time off to go vote?.
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mgrayar
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03-19-12 06:50 AM - Post#146735
In response to chf
No, he's not exaggerating. He is accurately stating the real underlying purpose of these voter ID efforts.
I wasn't asking about the purpose.
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03-19-12 08:49 AM - Post#146740
In response to mgrayar
Cary, are you sure your not exaggerating just a bit?
He's not exaggerating at all. Not even just a bit.
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carygold
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03-19-12 09:01 AM - Post#146742
In response to richardb
The answer is simple, the chances are greater as a student, I might vote Democrat, by adding an extra hurdle I might not vote.
There's no proof this is true.
It is a well known fact that young people tend to vote Democrat...Young Voter Turnout Fell 60% from 2008 to 2010; Dems Won't Win in 2012 If the Trend Continues
Again, there has been NO ONE caught committing voter fraud in Texas in the last ten years, maybe longer.
You're absolutely 100% correct. If no one's been caught, there must not have been any fraud. Or perhaps people have been getting away with fraud because there WAS NO IDENTIFICATION REQUIREMENT.
You just don't, or more than likely refuse, to get the point.
The point is you don't create a multi-million dollar law when there is no problem. This law is going to cost the state millions of dollars to provide voter ids for people with no ID, and to fight lawsuits, when there is no evidence that we have an issue.
How many accidents do we have to have at some intersections before the government will put up a traffic light?
Yet, we have no one violating the voting law, not in decades has anyone been caught in our process, which is a pretty solid.
It does feed into the right wing paranoia, and it does create extra burdens on those that primarily vote democrat.
No proof this is true.
The fact you think there is a need for this law is all the proof that I need of right wing paranoia.
Again, there is no evidence that there is a problem, why create a multi-million dollar law?
Making people that ride a bus, and work by the hour take time out of their work week, which costs money, to spend up to a whole day standing in line to get a Voter ID card is a pole tax and intended to keep those people from voting.
No proof this is true. If they have to ride the bus, work by the hour or have to stand in line to get the proper ID, how different is that from them taking the same steps to go vote?.
People vote near their home, but the nearest DPS location to get a voter ID could be miles out of their way, and may not be accessible by public transportation. Can you not see that adding the extra hurdle is meant to be a deterrent?
Also, people get time off of work to vote by law.
How many accidents do we have to have at some intersections before the government will put up a traffic light?
We have no one violating the law, not in decades has anyone been caught in our process where an ID would be a deterrent.
The districts are drawn up to be mostly republican in Texas. It would take thousands of fraudulent voters to overturn one of these districts.
But you could kill a Democrat district with a voter ID law.
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Edited by carygold on 03-19-12 09:08 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Jimi Ray Clapton
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03-19-12 09:13 AM - Post#146743
In response to carygold
Stop exaggerating, Cary! You're paranoid.
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richardb
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03-19-12 09:26 AM - Post#146744
In response to carygold
How many accidents do we have to have at some intersections before the government will put up a traffic light?
Thanks for seeing my side. How many are committing voter fraud before the government puts measures in place to prevent it?[/u]
Yet, we have no one violating the voting law, not in decades has anyone been caughtAgain, simple english, no one has been caught BECAUSE there were no measures in place to catch them. in our process, which is a pretty solid.
It does feed into the right wing paranoia, and it does create extra burdens on those that primarily vote democrat.
No proof this is true.[/u]
Making people that ride a bus, and work by the hour take time out of their work week, which costs money, to spend up to a whole day standing in line to get a Voter ID card is a pole tax and intended to keep those people from voting.
No proof this is true. If they have to ride the bus, work by the hour or have to stand in line to get the proper ID, how different is that from them taking the same steps to go vote?[/u].
But you could kill a Democrat district with a voter ID law.
You just gave all the proof needed to identify where the fraud is occurring. Thanks.
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carygold
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03-19-12 10:55 AM - Post#146754
In response to richardb
Again, simple english, no one has been caught BECAUSE there were no measures in place to catch them. in our process, which is a pretty solid.
You have never voted before have you?
There are plenty of measures to protect voting and a 5 year prison sentence. You should really do some reading before making stupid statements.
To vote:
1. A person must fill out a voter registration card, with name address, check that they are a citizen and swear under law that the information is true... 5 year federal penalty.
2. The info on the card is verified by the Texas State Secretary's office, the person is added to the voting list in their precinct.
3. A registration card is sent to the address of the person registered to vote.
4. A person in Texas must have the voter registration card or a Texas ID, or proof of living at the registered address, to vote.
There are thousands of people, several voter organizations that check out voter registration.
... NO Fraud...So why create a law....
But you could kill a Democrat district with a voter ID law.
You just gave all the proof needed to identify where the fraud is occurring. Thanks.
You don't see that your every comment is proving my case do you? Not only do you think there is fraud, (where there is no evidence in decades), but you think its only the Democrats that are committing fraud? That's called being paranoid.
Think about it, why commit fraud in a District you will win anyway?
Because of the way districts are drawn up in State of Texas it usually takes thousands of voters in a district that is mostly republican or mostly democrat to change the outcome of a vote.
But if a law is created that block thousands of voters from voting by making restrictions, or creating hurdles for them to be able to vote you can change the outcome...
Can't see how hard it is in the state of Texas to change the outcome of an election at the polls??
Think about it in simple terms. If ALL Texans had to go to their local DPS this year to get a Voter ID card would the total number of voters in Texas be down this year, across the state and across party lines? I think the answer would be a big yes.
I have a car but its a pain in the rear end to take time off of work and go to the DPS station to get a drivers license renewed. Imagine people that have no car, or are physically handicapped, or live on a college campus that have no transportation outside of a bus.
Are you completely insensitive?
Again NO ONE HAS BEEN CAUGHT... there is no problem.
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mgrayar
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03-19-12 11:27 AM - Post#146759
In response to carygold
Just out of pure ignorance, I have to ask.
How many would be voters do we think don't have an acceptable form of identification?
I would suspect that most college students have a drivers license or passport, but I don't know what percentage it would be.
How many people are we really talking about here? If its a small enough number, do you think there could be a way to alleviate the burden of obtaining an acceptable ID?
I'm only asking because I truly don't know. I like the idea of producing ID to vote. It just makes sense to me. However I have nothing to hide, nor is there an obstacle to me producing the ID.
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carygold
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03-19-12 11:31 AM - Post#146760
In response to mgrayar
Just out of pure ignorance, I have to ask.
How many would be voters do we think don't have an acceptable form of identification?
I would suspect that most college students have a drivers license or passport, but I don't know what percentage it would be.
How many people are we really talking about here? If its a small enough number, do you think there could be a way to alleviate the burden of obtaining an acceptable ID?
I'm only asking because I truly don't know. I like the idea of producing ID to vote. It just makes sense to me. However I have nothing to hide, nor is there an obstacle to me producing the ID.
You still have to have:
Voter Registration card
a driver's license or personal identification card issued to the person by the Department of Public Safety or a similar document issued to the person by an agency of another state, regardless of whether the license or card has expired;
a form of identification containing the person's photograph that establishes the person's identity;
a birth certificate or other document confirming birth that is admissible in a court of law and establishes the person's identity;
United States citizenship papers issued to the person;
a United States passport issued to the person;
official mail addressed to the person by name from a governmental entity;
a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the voter; or
any other form of identification prescribed by the Secretary of State.
If CEO's increased their pay at the same rate as Average Americans
their pay would average $1,384,890 not $10,621,000 |
Edited by carygold on 03-19-12 11:32 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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mgrayar
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03-19-12 11:37 AM - Post#146762
In response to carygold
Um, ok...Thanks.
Not sure that was actually a response to my question though. Can we get a redo?
I was asking for an answer with numbers, percentages...etc. doesn't need to be accurate, could be just a gut feeling.
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richardb
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03-19-12 11:46 AM - Post#146764
In response to carygold
Again, simple english, no one has been caught BECAUSE there were no measures in place to catch them.
You have never voted before have you?
I vote so often, that everytime I walk into the polling location, city court, they all say "Hi Richard, good to see you again.", and I still show them a picture ID in spite of this. I just believe it's the right thing to do.
But you could kill a Democrat district with a voter ID law.
You just gave all the proof needed to identify where the fraud is occurring. Thanks.
You don't see that your every comment is proving my case do you? Not only do you think there is fraud, (where there is no evidence in decades), but you think its only the Democrats... You are the one who stated it could kill a democrat district, not republican or democrat, but you specifically stated democrat. Go back and check.
Imagine people that have no car, or are physically handicapped, or live on a college campus that have no transportation outside of a bus.
Are you completely insensitive?
Insensitive? Even for you, that's going overboard. Is the group you're hung up on specifically targeted in writing in the measure being considered or are you just manufacturing your own opinion? Does the measure clearly state that it's passing is to prevent people that have no car, or are physically handicapped, or live on a college campus that have no transportation outside of a bus, from voting?
Again NO ONE HAS BEEN CAUGHT... there is no problem. A number of years ago, someone came down our alley one night cutting tires. They never caught anyone, so I guess there is no problem.
Edited by richardb on 03-19-12 11:52 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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carygold
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03-19-12 12:55 PM - Post#146765
In response to richardb
Again NO ONE HAS BEEN CAUGHT... there is no problem. A number of years ago, someone came down our alley one night cutting tires. They never caught anyone, so I guess there is no problem.
Yes, there was a problem, slashed tires.
The issue is obvious.
Now show me one district that had to have a vote recalled, or a recount, or any action due to an irregularity in the vote. Show me that slashed tire... you can't.
The thing is you have no proof. You keep talking about what I don't have and you can't show one, not one district with an issue.
But I can easily demonstrate where the law has an impact primarily on minorities, the elderly, and the young, primarily Democratic voters.
If CEO's increased their pay at the same rate as Average Americans
their pay would average $1,384,890 not $10,621,000 |
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richardb
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03-19-12 02:16 PM - Post#146769
In response to carygold
Now show me one district that had to have a vote recalled, or a recount, or any action due to an irregularity in the vote. Show me that slashed tire... you can't.
BECAUSE THERE IS NO MEASURE IN PLACE TO IDENTIFY OR PREVENT IRREGULARITY BY IDENTIFICATION FRAUD. Forest for the trees, forest for the trees.
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carygold
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03-19-12 02:36 PM - Post#146770
In response to richardb
Now show me one district that had to have a vote recalled, or a recount, or any action due to an irregularity in the vote. Show me that slashed tire... you can't.
BECAUSE THERE IS NO MEASURE IN PLACE TO IDENTIFY OR PREVENT IRREGULARITY BY IDENTIFICATION FRAUD. Forest for the trees, forest for the trees. I'm finished with this topic.
What you are saying is
1. Although there is a voter registration process that works OVERWHELMINGLY across the entire nation of 230 Million people of voting age.
2. Although NOT ONE PERSON has been caught in the State of Texas committing an act of voter fraud at the polls...
3. Not one person has be accused or arrested or convicted.
Ah but YOU know... for a fact... there is voter fraud in Texas, without one shred of evidence.
priceless...
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mgrayar
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03-19-12 03:03 PM - Post#146772
In response to carygold
Cary, again, how many people would have trouble getting the proper ID? I'm curious as to how big an issue this would be to add extra help for those people.
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Maringa
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03-19-12 03:20 PM - Post#146774
In response to mgrayar
It can happen...maybe not prevalent in Texas, but it can happen...
http://www.themonitor.com/articles/fraud-40148- cha...
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richardb
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03-19-12 03:21 PM - Post#146775
In response to carygold
Ah but YOU know... for a fact... there is voter fraud in Texas, without one shred of evidence.
priceless...
Ah, but YOU know...for a fact...no voter fraud has ever occured in Texas.
clueless...
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