Maringa
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03-19-12 03:28 PM - Post#146776
In response to richardb
Maybe not an agreeable source...but different ways that vote, or registration fraud in Texas has occured...
http://www.ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Vote_fra...
I can agree on Cary's point, that for the most part, it hasn't affected election outcomes in Texas (so far)...In other states, there are bigger issues - no ID's, etc....
But there is also the point, that the potential of fraud can exist, though harder to do in Texas. Since this is such an important process - I would think it would be the interest of both parties to agree that there are things that can be done to improve credibility and reduce the paranoias of both sides.
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Jimi Ray Clapton
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03-19-12 03:33 PM - Post#146778
In response to mgrayar
Cary, again, how many people would have trouble getting the proper ID? I'm curious as to how big an issue this would be to add extra help for those people.
Do you really believe that there is something behind this other than a party doing what it can to attempt to slightly tilt the election process in their favor? If you do I've got some great land for sale... If not, who cares about that number you're asking for?
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03-19-12 03:45 PM - Post#146780
In response to Jimi Ray Clapton
Cary, again, how many people would have trouble getting the proper ID? I'm curious as to how big an issue this would be to add extra help for those people.
If not, who cares about that number you're asking for?
Carygold.
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Maringa
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03-19-12 03:49 PM - Post#146782
In response to Jimi Ray Clapton
We could also re-phrase it and say that the Democratic party is objecting to this for any attempt to tilt the election process in their favor. The Republicans and Democrats are all good at coming up with paranoias to their party base to drum up opposition/favor towards one policy or another - one uses racism, one overemphasizes fraud.
Fact is - neither fraud is rampant, and the objection to race/discrimination/voter intimidation, etc. is eliminated if a system of readily available/accessible form of ID for the legal voter is provided. Something that identifies person, legal/residence status, etc. should not be objectionable to anyone regardless of party.
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Edited by Maringa on 03-19-12 03:52 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Jimi Ray Clapton
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03-19-12 04:13 PM - Post#146784
In response to richardb
Cary, again, how many people would have trouble getting the proper ID? I'm curious as to how big an issue this would be to add extra help for those people.
If not, who cares about that number you're asking for?
Carygold.
Hey Richard, how are you today?
So let me ask... are you new to on-line forum discussions or are you just a dick? I'm genuinely curious - which is it?
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03-19-12 04:49 PM - Post#146786
In response to Jimi Ray Clapton
Cary, again, how many people would have trouble getting the proper ID? I'm curious as to how big an issue this would be to add extra help for those people.
Do you really believe that there is something behind this other than a party doing what it can to attempt to slightly tilt the election process in their favor? If you do I've got some great land for sale... If not, who cares about that number you're asking for?
I care, or else I wouldn't ask. Now do you have an answer or were you just minimizing my request?
Again, I'd be interested in how big this issue really is.
Is that ok Jimi? You don't have to participate if you feel it's a waste of your time.
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03-19-12 05:00 PM - Post#146787
In response to Jimi Ray Clapton
Such class Jimi, such class. I've always found that sooner or later a person's true character, or lack of, gets revealed.
BTW, your buddy carygold WAS the one all hot and bothered by the numbers that would be affected. I was just providing you the answer you sought.
It's apparent that you and carygold and missingchico all have the 'my way or your wrong and not only are you wrong, but you're stupid' attitudes.
In the past 3 weeks, cary has called me a moron, you have called me a d_ _ k and missingchico sent me a PM to 'Go @#$% myself.
All of you have a common mission to run off anyone who dares to challenge your self-appointed authority, by insults and ridiculing.
I have taken a leave from this forum before when others demonstrated they had no control over their temperaments if anyone challenged or offered different opinions.
So, I am leaving again. There are so many more positive things I can do than be involved in such childish and immature replies from you and others.
Any of you 3 can respond to this if you like, but I won't reply back and so, if you like spitting into the wind, go right ahead.
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03-20-12 10:23 AM - Post#146802
In response to richardb
Ah but YOU know... for a fact... there is voter fraud in Texas, without one shred of evidence.
priceless...
Ah, but YOU know...for a fact...no voter fraud has ever occured in Texas.
clueless...
I would think that you're assumption is clueless, as there is not a single clue that would lead to an arrest warrant in your assumption, much less a conviction. Your assumption also is that the current process is not working and no one has been turned away at the polls for not having the required forms.
Yet, the evidence says I am correct.
In a court of law evidence of wrong doing must be proven. Show me some evidence, otherwise you're just guessing.
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03-20-12 10:47 AM - Post#146803
In response to richardb
(wiping a tear) That was moving. I'm deeply touched. Now, don't let the door hit ya.
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Maringa
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03-20-12 10:55 AM - Post#146804
In response to Jimi Ray Clapton
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/story/20 12-03...
No specific details - but recent years, at least 50 convictions on voter fraud in Texas...
Again, not a big number, but the point is, if this is a small sampling of a larger issue (convictions not pursued, etc...), it points out that there are gaps in the system.
I'm not sure if the convictions are mainly related to ballot handling vs. actual voter trying to commit fraud...or mail in ballots, etc...
Edited by Maringa on 03-20-12 11:00 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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03-20-12 11:40 AM - Post#146807
In response to Maringa
So, your saying that the current system is working?
Notice that most voter fraud is with a ballot box, and a voter ID would not fix the problem.
http://www.ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Vote_fra...
Notice that the Republican National Lawyers Assn. could only find one case in Texas, and it was not at the polls.
Notice that "potential for fraud" is constantly used in GOP rhetoric.
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03-20-12 12:06 PM - Post#146811
In response to Jimi Ray Clapton
(wiping a tear) That was moving. I'm deeply touched. Now, don't let the door hit ya.
Wow! CaryGold and JRC have chased away yet another contributer due to their insane attitude towards anyone who disagrees with them.
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03-20-12 12:11 PM - Post#146813
In response to Joe Schirmer
(wiping a tear) That was moving. I'm deeply touched. Now, don't let the door hit ya.
Wow! CaryGold and JRC have chased away yet another contributer due to their insane attitude towards anyone who disagrees with them.
Says the easily most intellectually bankrupt liar on this forum.
When are you gonna start telling the truth, Joe?
I'm going to write a book about you: "Lying Liars and the Lies They Tell".
Don't bother asking what lie, spinmaster. Because the very question is further indication of your dishonesty.
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03-20-12 12:18 PM - Post#146814
In response to carygold
Again, I will admit that I don't know the breakdown of the fraud type convictions in Texas...but as an example of the lady in one of the articles that was convicted for voting using her dead mom's name...A ID system would have addressed that.
Rhetoric as to use "potential" is the same as the "rhetoric" for poll taxing...It's all unfortunate tactics used by both parties to target their base to stand on the issues they believe in, and would provide them with an advantage.
If you were to get an sentient intergalactic alien from somewhere, and not expose it to historical references, other than explain what would be the best method to ensure ballot/voting validity - it would probably suggest some form of identification system that validates the voter. It's fairly simple...
Of course that's the front end of the voting system...Of course there are issues on the back end as well....Computer ballots/validation, etc. I think some states have a dual validation set-up, but not sure about Texas...
Edited by Maringa on 03-20-12 12:18 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Jimi Ray Clapton
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03-20-12 12:21 PM - Post#146816
In response to Maringa
On topic - from the Dallas Observer: Feds: Voter ID Law "Legally Unenforceable," Can't Rule Out "Discriminatory Purpose"
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03-20-12 12:21 PM - Post#146817
In response to Jimi Ray Clapton
Says the easily most intellectually bankrupt liar on this forum.
With continuing comments like these, I'm just about done here too. What happened to civil discussions?
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Jimi Ray Clapton
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03-20-12 12:25 PM - Post#146818
In response to nomoon
I was wondering too, nomoon. Which is why I've pulled way back from commenting here. I have a strong dislike for dishonesty - and civil discussions are just about impossible with dishonesty.
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03-20-12 12:38 PM - Post#146819
In response to Jimi Ray Clapton
I agree with Joe. Both you and Chico have made comments that were not only rude, personal insults, but vulgar.
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03-20-12 12:43 PM - Post#146820
In response to Maringa
Again, I will admit that I don't know the breakdown of the fraud type convictions in Texas...but as an example of the lady in one of the articles that was convicted for voting using her dead mom's name...A ID system would have addressed that.
Rhetoric as to use "potential" is the same as the "rhetoric" for poll taxing...It's all unfortunate tactics used by both parties to target their base to stand on the issues they believe in, and would provide them with an advantage.
If you were to get an sentient intergalactic alien from somewhere, and not expose it to historical references, other than explain what would be the best method to ensure ballot/voting validity - it would probably suggest some form of identification system that validates the voter. It's fairly simple...
Of course that's the front end of the voting system...Of course there are issues on the back end as well....Computer ballots/validation, etc. I think some states have a dual validation set-up, but not sure about Texas...
The funny part is if we gave people a way to get an ID, I'm not against it.
For example, if the State of Texas opened up Voter ID booths at University and College Campuses I would be for it.
If once or twice a year Texas would offer Voter ID's at local elementary schools on weekends or at Post Offices.
If I could see that there was a real attempt to make sure everyone that can vote can get an ID in their neighborhood, I would be all for it.
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03-20-12 12:46 PM - Post#146821
In response to carygold
The funny part is if we gave people a way to get an ID, I'm not against it.
For example, if the State of Texas opened up Voter ID booths at University and College Campuses I would be for it.
If once or twice a year Texas would offer Voter ID's at local elementary schools on weekends or at Post Offices.
If I could see that there was a real attempt to make sure everyone that can vote can get an ID in their neighborhood, I would be all for it.
I agree. This is my position as well.
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