Mrs. Tex
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04-05-12 10:27 AM - Post#147742
In response to JasonKA
You & DTF are so very wrong!! Selfish & Arrogant!!
Y'all should be 1st in line for 'Teacher Appreciation Week"!! Shame on you for not thinking of others & having faith in the staff that teaches & takes care of your child the rest of the year!! This is Holy Week & you feel you need to throw these good people 'under the bus'???
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SB
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04-05-12 11:26 AM - Post#147743
In response to Mrs. Tex
I believe that the Allen schools had good procedures in place to protect the children and there are very good reasons for the policy as carried out. Still, I can't think of a reason why they should deny a parent a right to pull their child out of school. DTF may or may not have made the most prudent request, and a series of what-ifs will never answer that, but it should be the most extreme of circumstances before the schools should frustrate a parent's control over their child. DTFs request wasn't disrespectful of teachers, administration, or god. It was a serious disagreement over an important policy that requires a very clear justification by the schools.
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TC2112
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04-05-12 11:31 AM - Post#147744
In response to SB
Thank you to Allen ISD for protecting my children. Policies are there for a reason, and trump pushy parents. If you don't like it, change it in the voting booth.
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jogo
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04-05-12 11:46 AM - Post#147746
In response to TC2112
If you don't like it, change it in the voting booth.
Or homeschool or send your kids to private school.
Perhaps at the beginning of the school year when we have to fill out all those forms there should be a box to check that says "the rules don't apply to my child and my child requires special treatment" so that the teachers will know up front what type of parents they will be dealing with.
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Kristale
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04-05-12 04:04 PM - Post#147755
In response to jogo
It was a crazy day. I'm sure most parents were very anxious to have their kids back in their posession. The schools were just doing their jobs and even though I'm not a parent, I can understand how tempers may flare when it comes to parental rights, etc. Think it's a waste of time though to continue harping on it. Just be thankful your kids are safe and move on.
Edited by Kristale on 04-05-12 04:04 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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DrivinTooFast
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04-06-12 09:43 PM - Post#147815
In response to Mrs. Tex
You & DTF are so very wrong!! Selfish & Arrogant!!
Y'all should be 1st in line for 'Teacher Appreciation Week"!! Shame on you for not thinking of others & having faith in the staff that teaches & takes care of your child the rest of the year!! This is Holy Week & you feel you need to throw these good people 'under the bus'???
How is it selfish to walk into the front door, they announce my kids name so she can walk up to the front door with me and out of the school? It's one less kid they need to worry about. If they would have handles it orderly they could have reduced the number of kids by at least 33%. My kids pretty old and can navigate her way to the front door just fine with nobody's assistance. There was NO DANGER, Almost baby blue through the i-75 corridor. Only confused school adminitration and P=offed parents. All the credit goes with the teachers, it's the admin that needs to get their head on strait.
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cp
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04-10-12 06:38 AM - Post#147900
In response to DrivinTooFast
As many tornadoes that we had yesterday, I (me personally) feel that my child probably would have been safer at the school if something did happen.
What if you picked your child up, got in your car and there is a tornado coming at you? what would you do?
I totally understand wanting to get your child - but I am sure as everyone else was - the teachers and staff were more then likely only doing what they were told to do for the safety of the kids.
Was your child hurt during this time? was your child mistreated? Did they take good care of your child while they where in lockdown? Did you call and tell them you where coming to get your child before you got there?
There is a lot of missed questions. Yesterday was a horrible day and lucky we didn't have a tornado in Allen and we are all safe.
The what if game is a dangerous game. What if a F5-F6 ripped the school to shreds and your house 200 yards away was fine. We can play out any remotely possible scenario you want, but the bottom line is Parental rights supercede school policy even policy with the best intentions.
Beleive me I am not trivializing the danger that an F3+ tornado can pose. I spent many a day helping tornado victims and finding victims. The issue for me is my responsibility for the health and safety of my children and the ISD policy does not trump that primal parental right.
I'm sorry, but your example of an F5 or F6 (if there is such a thing as an F6) is bad, especially to say if your house was 200 yards away.
Are you not familiar with the Wichita Falls F4 tornado of 1979 that was a mile to a mile-and-a-half wide at times? That would engulf anything within 200 yards of the tornado. So, your home would have been gone too if an F5 or "F6" struck the school.
Based on your post, I'm sure you would have complained had AISD done the opposite, something like McKinney, and didn't withhold students, instead allowing them to walk around outside, or walk home while severe weather is all around. Let's not forget these storms popped up with little warning. While no tornado was near us, it could have easily changed with little warning. So, AISD's "policy" (if there is one) is fine with me...
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Tough 75002
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04-10-12 07:24 AM - Post#147902
In response to cp
Prosper let the kids out early so that they would be home before the weather hit. Their superintendent has caught a wrath of grief over it. Parents wanted to know why they would send the kids away from a safe location with adult supervision.
Our schools did the opposite. They kept the kids in a safe location under adult supervision.
I was very greatful that I knew where my kids were as I was driving home. We were on lockdown for an hour and an forty five mintes at work and I was worried the whole time.
The only thing I did not like, was that they had all of the parking lots blocked off and you could not get to your kid. I had to arrange for the kids to meet me at BBQties.
They need an emergency pick up plan in place.
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carygold
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04-11-12 08:46 AM - Post#147935
In response to Tough 75002
I think if we are going to play "what if"... what if the tornado did come by the school, and all of those parents and their cars were tossed about?
I thought of that as other area's said they were not releasing children, but what about the parents waiting outside??? Will they have time to abandon their cars? Was someone telling them to get into the school building or were the parents outside playing Angry Birds on their iPhone?
One would think that Tornado's are not new to this area and a responsible plan would be in force and well communicated to all parents in advance. Lock down is okay, but I might need my child for more reasons than just pending bad weather, especially if they normally walk home.
I was in a building in Richardson when the storm alarms sounded, and someone came by and yelled, "everyone to the basement there is a tornado outside."
I just came in from outside and there was no rain, no hail, no wind, no thunder, but the building went into a panic and people started running to the basement, based on what one person said because they heard sirens.
I think the lack of a plan is more dangerous than a tornado, even when adults are concerned. Since another tornado is about as certain as another sun rise... we should all have a plan everywhere we might be... even the small things like checking your flashlight batteries at home before storm season... now is the time.
Which reminds me... did I check my...?
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SB
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04-11-12 04:19 PM - Post#147966
In response to carygold
Just for my awareness, where is there a basement in Richardson. Was it UTD, a city, or a private building?
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MO
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04-12-12 01:02 PM - Post#147994
In response to Focus
The care and concern given to the student's within Allen ISD by the teachers, staff and even the administration is extremely underrated by some and it is so sad! Guess who hears these disrespectful comments...hmmm the children who then form an unfavorable opinion of those that care for them too from 8AM-3PM or even longer days in some cases. It is probably safe to say that 90% or more of the AISD staff IS a PARENT. The stress of the situation yesterday must have been heart wrenching for staff with concern for their own children and also with their concern for your child that was in their care at that time frame. I recall when the schools shut down due to icy roads last year that there was a lot of complaining in forums then too about how tired some parents were of there child being home and not at school. Safety was the one and only concern by every school district in the local area yesterday and that extended to the safety of the parents too - driving in conditions that would put them in danger too was probably trying to be prevented. If you have solutions please share - there will be a next time - we do live in TEXAS!
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Levansfour
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04-12-12 05:54 PM - Post#148016
In response to MO
From what I have heard from a few of my friends with younger kids the schools were telling the parents to come in an to take cover,or go take cover somewhere else but that it was not safe to sit and wait out there. Many went in the school and waited it out, some went home and waited there. So at some schools it sounds like it was handled perfectly to me.
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carygold
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04-12-12 10:20 PM - Post#148020
In response to SB
Just for my awareness, where is there a basement in Richardson. Was it UTD, a city, or a private building?
I was in a private building, but most buildings have basements, including the city, the library, and at UTD.
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DrivinTooFast
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04-13-12 06:32 AM - Post#148023
In response to cp
As many tornadoes that we had yesterday, I (me personally) feel that my child probably would have been safer at the school if something did happen.
What if you picked your child up, got in your car and there is a tornado coming at you? what would you do?
I totally understand wanting to get your child - but I am sure as everyone else was - the teachers and staff were more then likely only doing what they were told to do for the safety of the kids.
Was your child hurt during this time? was your child mistreated? Did they take good care of your child while they where in lockdown? Did you call and tell them you where coming to get your child before you got there?
There is a lot of missed questions. Yesterday was a horrible day and lucky we didn't have a tornado in Allen and we are all safe.
The what if game is a dangerous game. What if a F5-F6 ripped the school to shreds and your house 200 yards away was fine. We can play out any remotely possible scenario you want, but the bottom line is Parental rights supercede school policy even policy with the best intentions.
Beleive me I am not trivializing the danger that an F3+ tornado can pose. I spent many a day helping tornado victims and finding victims. The issue for me is my responsibility for the health and safety of my children and the ISD policy does not trump that primal parental right.
I'm sorry, but your example of an F5 or F6 (if there is such a thing as an F6) is bad, especially to say if your house was 200 yards away.
Are you not familiar with the Wichita Falls F4 tornado of 1979 that was a mile to a mile-and-a-half wide at times? That would engulf anything within 200 yards of the tornado. So, your home would have been gone too if an F5 or "F6" struck the school.
Based on your post, I'm sure you would have complained had AISD done the opposite, something like McKinney, and didn't withhold students, instead allowing them to walk around outside, or walk home while severe weather is all around. Let's not forget these storms popped up with little warning. While no tornado was near us, it could have easily changed with little warning. So, AISD's "policy" (if there is one) is fine with me...
I NEVER said the kids should have been released early. That would put the kids in harms way while the ISD had supervision. I don't play the what if game. My point is very simple. If I show up at the school as a parent, my kid gets released to me. If the school wants to offer shelter that's great. The ISD does not have the right to withhold release of my child no matter what or how good the intentions of the ISD.
While my kiddo is in the care of the ISD I appreciate and applaud their work to keep our children safe. However, their duty ends the moment a parent walks in the front door. If the ISD wants to offer shelter that is fantastic too. But it is the PARENT's choice not the ISD's authority to insist on keeping my child.
Edited by DrivinTooFast on 04-13-12 06:36 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Liz
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04-13-12 12:30 PM - Post#148037
In response to DrivinTooFast
I was out of town and my sister in law was able to pick up our kids. She said she had no problem but did stay inside the school for a while with the kids. When we returned two days later and I read the email from AISD it said that parents could pick up their kids but the kids would not be release to walk or drive home themselves and that buses would be delayed. Sorry your school wasn't organized. I do think there should be a clear policy for the future considering where we live.
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cp
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04-16-12 09:49 AM - Post#148146
In response to DrivinTooFast
As many tornadoes that we had yesterday, I (me personally) feel that my child probably would have been safer at the school if something did happen.
What if you picked your child up, got in your car and there is a tornado coming at you? what would you do?
I totally understand wanting to get your child - but I am sure as everyone else was - the teachers and staff were more then likely only doing what they were told to do for the safety of the kids.
Was your child hurt during this time? was your child mistreated? Did they take good care of your child while they where in lockdown? Did you call and tell them you where coming to get your child before you got there?
There is a lot of missed questions. Yesterday was a horrible day and lucky we didn't have a tornado in Allen and we are all safe.
The what if game is a dangerous game. What if a F5-F6 ripped the school to shreds and your house 200 yards away was fine. We can play out any remotely possible scenario you want, but the bottom line is Parental rights supercede school policy even policy with the best intentions.
Beleive me I am not trivializing the danger that an F3+ tornado can pose. I spent many a day helping tornado victims and finding victims. The issue for me is my responsibility for the health and safety of my children and the ISD policy does not trump that primal parental right.
I'm sorry, but your example of an F5 or F6 (if there is such a thing as an F6) is bad, especially to say if your house was 200 yards away.
Are you not familiar with the Wichita Falls F4 tornado of 1979 that was a mile to a mile-and-a-half wide at times? That would engulf anything within 200 yards of the tornado. So, your home would have been gone too if an F5 or "F6" struck the school.
Based on your post, I'm sure you would have complained had AISD done the opposite, something like McKinney, and didn't withhold students, instead allowing them to walk around outside, or walk home while severe weather is all around. Let's not forget these storms popped up with little warning. While no tornado was near us, it could have easily changed with little warning. So, AISD's "policy" (if there is one) is fine with me...
I NEVER said the kids should have been released early. That would put the kids in harms way while the ISD had supervision. I don't play the what if game. My point is very simple. If I show up at the school as a parent, my kid gets released to me. If the school wants to offer shelter that's great. The ISD does not have the right to withhold release of my child no matter what or how good the intentions of the ISD.
While my kiddo is in the care of the ISD I appreciate and applaud their work to keep our children safe. However, their duty ends the moment a parent walks in the front door. If the ISD wants to offer shelter that is fantastic too. But it is the PARENT's choice not the ISD's authority to insist on keeping my child.
And let us not forget, there's always two sides to a story. I'd be curious to know the school's side...
I just hope you or your children are never caught out in a tornadic storm. Or, maybe you're better at forecasting when and where they'll drop than the meteorologists, I don't know...
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EnjoyingLife
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04-16-12 10:40 AM - Post#148148
In response to cp
You just can't make everyone happy. There's always someone who thinks they're smarter than everyone else.
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Lisatexmom
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04-16-12 11:32 AM - Post#148150
In response to EnjoyingLife
I know a couple of people that work at the schools - and I know parents wanted their children released with out proper identification - and they would not release the child. They do not release the child on a regular day with out proper ID, why would they release them on this day.
Regardless - this was two weeks ago, can we just let it go? if you have a problem with it - I would suggest talking it out with the school instead of taking your frustration out on here as it is clearly not getting any where.
Thanks. 
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cp
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04-16-12 12:42 PM - Post#148151
In response to Lisatexmom
I know a couple of people that work at the schools - and I know parents wanted their children released with out proper identification - and they would not release the child. They do not release the child on a regular day with out proper ID, why would they release them on this day.
Regardless - this was two weeks ago, can we just let it go? if you have a problem with it - I would suggest talking it out with the school instead of taking your frustration out on here as it is clearly not getting any where.
Thanks.
I'm thinking you should have replied to DrvingTooFast instead of EnjoyingLife. If DTF wants to let it go, they're free to withhold their responses further. However, I wouldn't expect this topic to die soon. So, don't get your hopes up; we're still in springtime here in Texas and the weather's bound to repeat its pattern. So, maybe this thread will be a lesson for some in due time...
I would agree that DTF needs to take up their "issue" with the appropriate people if they're indeed serious enough about their concern. Otherwise, they're just wasting their time venting at the expense of others' entertainment...
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