Jeremy
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04-19-12 07:25 AM - Post#148236
In response to traveler
Traveler,
I guess just like the previous comment from Common Sense regarding this being a VRS Spin Zone… I don’t see the same thing you are seeing. I have not read a post in this section where anyone has belittled the service center issue. As for the single issue comment, I am pretty sure it was directed at the candidate. I believe that the service center is the single issue that has caused Hurst, at least, to run. As important of an issue as it is, and as much as I applaud him for stepping up like he has, I don’t believe it justifies him having a seat on the board. If you would like to have a more lively debate on the service center please feel free to open another thread regarding it. In my opinion, any mention of it in this thread is related to why a candidate is running, not the merits of the actual service center. I have no doubt that all four candidates are very nice and good people. However, since my daughter will be in this school system for a long time to come I have to choose the candidates that I believe will best maintain the high standards of this district.
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javaprincess
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04-19-12 11:27 AM - Post#148241
In response to MikeC
MikeC, just curious if you actually heard from Alan Hurst that moving the bus barn location is the number one reason he's running. I read VRS's post and he/she only "speculated" that bus barn was the reason Mr. Hurst is running. But the way you wrote, it sounded like you actually heard it from Hurst, so I just want some clarification from you.
I neither live in any of the bus barn affected neighborhoods, nor do I have kids, so I am just trying to be a good citizen to vote for the best interest for the community. Maybe it's just the "rooting for the underdog" side of me, I want to at least study all the candidates first. Do we automatically reject any candidates from neighborhoods near the bus barn? I have not studied the current AISD board members, but wonder how many of them actually live near the last two chosen locations of the bus barn. Or more, should I check out which neighborhood each candidate comes from and pick the ones living closest to me so nothing bad will come near my neighborhood?
At the same time I do notice that Mr. Hurst seems less experienced for running, based on his answers. But then President Obama wasn't that experienced when he ran in the last election and many voted for him because of his passion to make things better.
I wouldn't elect two unqualified individuals (Zafari and Hurst) who have no reason to run other than to try and protect their neighborhoods. Elected officials must serve the entire district, not just their own neighborhood.
I have talked with current and former council and school board members. All say that when acting as a council member or school board member, they must act for the entire city/district and not one neighborhood.
I have met Mr. Hurst multiple times, he is a very nice guy, but only has one reason for running. To stop the bus barn.
I've tried to communicate with Ms.Zafari and she doesn't seem able to answer any basic questions other than it's her time.
I've watched Mr. Shepard at the school meetings and he does a great job of understanding the issues and makes decisions that benefit the community at large while always thinking of our students.
I've reviewed Mr. Clemencich's history of service and have talked with people who have worked with him. He is fair and makes decisions based on the information available and not on emotion.
Both men (Clemencich and Shepard) have earned our vote and should be elected.
For those you who belittle the bus barn issue as a short term single issue....I bet you would not think that, if this thing is built across the street from where you live.
You will be living with it for at least a few years. I wonder would you still think of it as a short term issue.
How far would you go to protect your home?
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vrs
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04-19-12 12:34 PM - Post#148242
In response to javaprincess
At the same time I do notice that Mr. Hurst seems less experienced for running, based on his answers. But then President Obama wasn't that experienced when he ran in the last election and many voted for him because of his passion to make things better.
Surely you do not mean to say we should choose passion over experience, service, and qualifications. But even if we accept that the most passionate candidate is the best, then how does one measure passion for the community? Is it by what a person says? Or by what a person does?
Looking at Mr. Hurst's volunteer activities (and God bless him for having volunteered - many do not) they are all centered around his own children, his own church, his own neighborhood. There is no sense at all of service to Allen at large. If we were electing a single member representative as a northwest neighborhood advocate he might be a great choice.
But the position on the ballot is for an at large representative of the entire district.
Mr. Clemencich's service record spans 16 years of service not only to activities involving his own children and his own church, but also significant investments of time and talent working to improve the community as a whole - the Parks Board, the Allen Economic Development Corporation (for the past 7 years), the AISD District Improvement and Planning Committee.
We have a candidate with a stated passion to make things better. And we have a candidate with a demonstrated passion to make things better - as well as the track record to prove it.
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javaprincess
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04-19-12 11:51 PM - Post#148251
In response to vrs
Well if elections are solely based on experience, service and qualifications, John McCain would be the President now. My first post was just my sarcastic comment about the 2008 general election.
Back to the AISD election. I will take my time to read each candidates' answers and see what they want to do. For example, even if both candidates say they want to balance the district spending, how do they do it? Those are the things I look for. But then that's just my way of picking a candidate. And based on the fact that you've talked to Mr. Clemencich and you're more satisfied with what he's told you and his experience, that's a fine choice too. People just have different ways of picking their choice of candidates.
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Jeremy
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04-20-12 07:25 AM - Post#148252
In response to javaprincess
There is no wrong way to pick a candidate. As long as you are voting and actually making your voice heard you can never be wrong. Even if the candidate you choose does not win (see your previous McCain statement which I agree with fully :) ) then at least you can say you did your part. There is something wrong when out of 40,000+ eligible Allen voters only 3,000 or so actually show up to vote.
On a separate but related note, the Allen American had 3 AISD candidate related stories in their paper yesterday and they are all up on the website now. There was an article for Zafari (which clarified several things for me), one for campaign finance reporting, and one for a Political Action Committee or PAC that is now in Allen. I think it is funny that Carl has only spent $34. I wonder what that was at such a low amount. Also, where are all the signs that the candidates are spending money on? Given my travel to the West side is usually limited to Watter’s Creek, the Lowes/Home Depot area of McDermott, and Wal-Mart… I have not noticed any and have not seen any along Bethany or Main. Of course signs will not change my opinion I have I was just wondering where they all are.
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denisew
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04-20-12 12:27 PM - Post#148257
In response to vrs
Don't leave out that Mr. Clemencich also volunteers as part of the Citizens On Patrol. That means he attended a 12 week Citizens Police Academy where he learned about all the aspects of the APD and then had to train as a C.O.P. volunteer. He has also been active in Boy Scouts (he has a son in our troop). I think he is a very good choice.
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chf
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04-20-12 01:16 PM - Post#148261
In response to Jeremy
Thanks for the heads up about the articles. Reading the article about Ms. Zafari did clarify one very important point for me: she does not have a good grasp on how school financing works. Like many others, she seems to think that tax money spent on bond packages could be used to pay teachers.
To her idea of accommodating growth without building more schools (though, as far as I know, there is only one more elementary school planned), instead of adding more bond debt, I would say that overcrowded schools (especially neighborhood elementary schools) are a MUCH bigger turnoff to new residents than the tax rate.
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vrs
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04-20-12 04:22 PM - Post#148270
In response to Jeremy
On a separate but related note, the Allen American had 3 AISD candidate related stories in their paper yesterday and they are all up on the website now. There was an article for Zafari (which clarified several things for me), one for campaign finance reporting, and one for a Political Action Committee or PAC that is now in Allen. I think it is funny that Carl has only spent $34. I wonder what that was at such a low amount. Also, where are all the signs that the candidates are spending money on? Given my travel to the West side is usually limited to Watter’s Creek, the Lowes/Home Depot area of McDermott, and Wal-Mart… I have not noticed any and have not seen any along Bethany or Main. Of course signs will not change my opinion I have I was just wondering where they all are.
Jeremy - In your post, you have the right information but assigned to the wrong candidates. Carl has spent money. Alan Hurst has not.
According to the article:
Place 2 candidate Carl Clemencich takes the lead in spending with $2,268, most of which was used to finance $1,299 in yard signs. A total of $693 has been used for the printing of postcards, and a total of $178 has been used for inkjet cartridges and paper. Clemencich, who has said he is self-financing his campaign, has not taken any contributions so far in this election cycle.
Clemencich's opponent, Alan Hurst, has raised $40 and spent $34, though his report does not detail how the funds were spent.
However, I saw a number of Alan's signs in Waterford Trails last weekend. If his campaign report is accurate (and no reason to think it isn't) then I have to assume the signs were ordered and delivered but not actually paid for at the deadline for filing the interim report. The next report will no doubt show more expenditures for the Hurst campaign.
As for the big signs on corners, they are expensive and ordinances require written permission from the landowner to put them up. They are also high maintenance and I am not sure they are worth many votes. Typically they serve to raise awareness that an election is going on. However, with the messed up primary schedule in Texas many people are blind to the big signs now.
If you want to see some campaign signs - come look at my yard.
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Jeremy
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04-22-12 07:39 PM - Post#148287
In response to vrs
VRS,
You are correct, my mistake. Also... I am finally seeing the signs. I have seen several from Carl and one from Jason. Still nothing from the other two candidates.
Has anyone looked at the Allen PAC? The site has been up since mid January and every link on the page still says "Coming Soon..." except the Volunteer and the Donate.
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jrob
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04-25-12 11:53 PM - Post#148451
In response to Jeremy
Funny how the candidate who says "Everybody should vote" has the one of worst voting records.
http://www.scntx.com/articles/2012/04/25/n ews_upda...
Voter activity can be obtained from the election judge in McKinney.
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Jeremy
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04-26-12 07:38 AM - Post#148453
In response to jrob
I read that in the paper (Allen American) this morning. I have not tried to look at their voting records but it would be interesting to see who is actually voting on a regular basis since they are asking for our vote. I think the questions were fair the paper asked each candidate and at least this time all 4 answered all the questions. You can still see how some were answered more thoroughly than others though. One thing that I picked up on was Zafari's comments on Elementary 17. She was quoted by the Allen American in the April 19th article stating "The maintenance facility that we have [planned], is that really necessary?" she said. "Do we have to build that? Do we have to build the new school? Or can we manage for a few more years so we don't have to incur more debt and increase our taxes?"
In her candidate profile this morning she is quoted as saying "I would set the new elementary school as a higher priority." To ensure it is in context that was part of her response to a question about the service center.
To me, her placing any priority on the school shows me that she acknowledges that it is needed. If she didn’t think that she would have most likely stuck with her April 19th statement. I don’t see how Elementary 17 is even a talking point for her, especially since Kitty Hawk was just sold to a developer that will build about 229 homes on the site. That is potentially a lot of new kids.
On a side note, if you are running for school board I would hope you would attend the meetings to see how things work. On Monday I noticed Susan, Carl, Jason (of course), and Alan at the meeting. I would say that maybe I missed Rona but since there were only about 6 of us in the seats after the open forum finished and the service center discussion… I don’t see how.
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vrs
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04-27-12 10:49 AM - Post#148529
In response to Jeremy
Did anyone attend the forum last night? How did that go?
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vrs
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04-27-12 01:07 PM - Post#148558
In response to Jeremy
I read that in the paper (Allen American) this morning. I have not tried to look at their voting records but it would be interesting to see who is actually voting on a regular basis since they are asking for our vote. I think the questions were fair the paper asked each candidate and at least this time all 4 answered all the questions. You can still see how some were answered more thoroughly than others though. One thing that I picked up on was Zafari's comments on Elementary 17. She was quoted by the Allen American in the April 19th article stating "The maintenance facility that we have [planned], is that really necessary?" she said. "Do we have to build that? Do we have to build the new school? Or can we manage for a few more years so we don't have to incur more debt and increase our taxes?"
In her candidate profile this morning she is quoted as saying "I would set the new elementary school as a higher priority." To ensure it is in context that was part of her response to a question about the service center.
To me, her placing any priority on the school shows me that she acknowledges that it is needed. If she didn’t think that she would have most likely stuck with her April 19th statement. I don’t see how Elementary 17 is even a talking point for her, especially since Kitty Hawk was just sold to a developer that will build about 229 homes on the site. That is potentially a lot of new kids.
On a side note, if you are running for school board I would hope you would attend the meetings to see how things work. On Monday I noticed Susan, Carl, Jason (of course), and Alan at the meeting. I would say that maybe I missed Rona but since there were only about 6 of us in the seats after the open forum finished and the service center discussion… I don’t see how.
Although "the tax rate is too high" seems to be the entirety of her platform, it is interesting to note that Ms. Zafari did not vote in the TRE last fall.
She was not at the meeting Monday because she called me during that time. A few interesting points from that conversation:
1) Why she is running against the incumbent. It is not a negative statement about him or the district. We are wrong to perceive her filing in the incumbent's seat as a negative on the district. However "he has had his turn and now it is mine" and "Mitt Romney is running against President Obama." To which I must respond 1)She is not a child on the playground who is entitled to a "turn" on the swing or the slide and 2)Mitt Romney's candidacy could very clearly be construed as his belief the incumbent is doing a bad job.
2) She is a broken record on the tax rate. I asked her if she knew how many dollars per student Allen spends relative to the neighbors. She did not answer - repeated tax rate too high and Jason voted for tax increase. (Technically Jason voted to approve a painfully balanced budget and to give the voters the chance to decide on the tax increase. Ms. Zafari opted out of expressing her opinion where it counts - at the polls) Anyway, she referred me to her website. I said I did not want to go to her website, I wanted to hear from her. She refused to answer. Eventually she ended the conversation rather than listen to opposing opinions or be challenged on hers or even to express hers in her own words (which makes one wonder who actually wrote the stuff on the website and in the paper.)
Remember - she called me. She asked ME what I thought. But when she didn't get the party line, it was all downhill.
It is almost as if she woke up one day and said "I think I'll run for School Board" and then after she got into the race she began to realize that there are real issues but she is throwing empty political one liners at them instead of doing her homework.
EXCEPT who just wakes up one day (after opting out of the political process almost entirely for the eight years of her residence) and decides to run for the Board. I suspect there is a hidden agenda but I am not sure how all the dots connect.
However, these are facts:
1) Rona Zafari has my personal email address because I signed up on her website early on
2) Bryce Green is Rona's campaign manager and he was Baine Brooks' campaign manager as well (and therefore he has my email address)
3) I received an email from the Alan Hurst campaign (who should NOT have my address) and when I inquired about where they got my email (because it COULD have been legitimate) they did not respond to me. If it was not from a connection with another campaign, why would they not just say so?
4) The treasurer of the United for Allen PAC (which is a Stop the Barn website) is a donor to both Alan Hurst and Rona Zafari's campaigns (which could also be just coincidence - backing the anti-incumbent)
5) The only things on the United for Allen website are anti-district, anti-barn sentiments and a congratulations banner for Mr. Brooks.
If Baine Brooks' political connections (via the shared campaign manager - not implying his personal involvement) and the Stop the Barn neighborhoods are backing Ms. Zafari (which they are COMPLETELY FREE TO DO!!) there are over 1700 people who voted in the January runoff who could all go for her in this election in spite of the fact that she is unqualified and unprepared.
If I were the parent of a child who is concerned about overcrowding, or a teacher who does not want to dial back the clock to the financial straits pre-TRE then I would run, not walk, to the polls to vote for a man who understands the district, understands the issues, is willing to take a tough political stand rather than say anything that will get him elected and is positioned to be an effective advocate for this district in the next legislative session.
Creative accounting in Allen is not going to solve a problem whose root cause is in Austin.
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AllenConsumer
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04-29-12 04:54 PM - Post#148604
In response to javaprincess
Well if elections are solely based on experience, service and qualifications, John McCain would be the President now. My first post was just my sarcastic comment about the 2008 general election.
Back to the AISD election. I will take my time to read each candidates' answers and see what they want to do. For example, even if both candidates say they want to balance the district spending, how do they do it? Those are the things I look for. But then that's just my way of picking a candidate. And based on the fact that you've talked to Mr. Clemencich and you're more satisfied with what he's told you and his experience, that's a fine choice too. People just have different ways of picking their choice of candidates.
Probably the best comment on this thread yet. VRS has always taken the approach that experience and service is the standard to be elgible.
VRS, get off your high horse. You were President in the easiest time in the history of our school district; we had nothing to go but up coming off one of the most troubling leadership style ever. And since, it appears all must kiss your ring to get the blessings to serve.
You throw in much analysis and data that seemingly puts you high on the intellectual pedestal, makes us all with opinions inferior, and all the while you missed opportunities to make a stand against Austin and do more than you could have. Oh, but we do have a nice 60 million dollar stadium. Thanks
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AllenConsumer
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04-29-12 06:14 PM - Post#148605
In response to vrs
How far would you go to protect your home?
This question is completely backwards. The question one should rightly ask of someone running for an at-large position is "How far would you go to take care of the best interests of the entire district?"
As someone who has some experience in the matter, I can tell you that the Board will always look for the win-win but sometimes not everyone gets to be happy. In that case, the Board does what makes the most sense in the big picture and trustees who are sworn to uphold the law and put the interests of the district first better be willing to vote against their own property values - or even their own children.
REALLY? Let's talk about a few things. The current leadership is unstable. The bus barn was scheduled to be on the other side of town. But when people complained they apparently disregarded ALL of their research, analysis, and ultimately their decision was changed to please a few. That's not the kind of leadership I want; always changing their mind to please a few.
A few years ago a few people in west Allen complained about the school zoning change and once again the school board changed their plans (the ones which were well thought out and a win-win?). Our school board, as it has been for years, is nothing more than a glorified middle school council; egos, personal agendas, and people pleasing for popularity. But look at that awesome 60 million dollar stadium!
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mgrayar
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04-29-12 06:17 PM - Post#148606
In response to AllenConsumer
I read on another forum that the ISD taxes we pay are the highest legally allowable in Texas, however the current board has set a goal of getting the law changed in order to be able to raise them further. Is this truly the case, please tell me that person was incorrect.
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Jeremy
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04-29-12 07:20 PM - Post#148608
In response to mgrayar
I have not heard that. However, since only one incumbent is running I feel that decision will be made regardless of who is on the board. I hope that is not true though. Early voting starts tomorrow.
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common sense
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04-29-12 08:01 PM - Post#148613
In response to AllenConsumer
Well if elections are solely based on experience, service and qualifications, John McCain would be the President now. My first post was just my sarcastic comment about the 2008 general election.
Back to the AISD election. I will take my time to read each candidates' answers and see what they want to do. For example, even if both candidates say they want to balance the district spending, how do they do it? Those are the things I look for. But then that's just my way of picking a candidate. And based on the fact that you've talked to Mr. Clemencich and you're more satisfied with what he's told you and his experience, that's a fine choice too. People just have different ways of picking their choice of candidates.
Probably the best comment on this thread yet. VRS has always taken the approach that experience and service is the standard to be elgible.
VRS, get off your high horse. You were President in the easiest time in the history of our school district; we had nothing to go but up coming off one of the most troubling leadership style ever. And since, it appears all must kiss your ring to get the blessings to serve.
You throw in much analysis and data that seemingly puts you high on the intellectual pedestal, makes us all with opinions inferior, and all the while you missed opportunities to make a stand against Austin and do more than you could have. Oh, but we do have a nice 60 million dollar stadium. Thanks
Thank you for saying what needed to be said. VRS has an apparent agenda and is doing her best to strong arm everyone into thinking she knows best. I pray someday that the citizens of Allen will wake up and realize how disfunctional or school district really is when it comes to financing and budgets.
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Jeremy
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04-29-12 09:43 PM - Post#148620
In response to common sense
Common Sense,
It is starting to seem that I'm the only one that does not know who VRS is but I'm getting the impression that she is a past board member. Since you think that she trying to strong arm opinions in favor of Jason or Carl, do you believe that Alan or Rona is better prepared to handle the budget and spending in the district? After reading their responses to questions in both the DMN and Allen American, not relying on the opinion of VRS, I can't see how they are. Regardless of whom you believe is best, at least you are voting. Let’s take the stadium, Service Center, and Arts Center. Since those three items seem to be what everyone is rallying around to prove how financially irresponsible the district is, hopefully those people will get out to vote. After all, the Allen voters approved those three facilities. If people actually showed up to vote that opposed it, who knows if it would have passed.
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vrs
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04-30-12 12:50 AM - Post#148624
In response to mgrayar
I read on another forum that the ISD taxes we pay are the highest legally allowable in Texas, however the current board has set a goal of getting the law changed in order to be able to raise them further. Is this truly the case, please tell me that person was incorrect.
That person was incorrect.
http://www.allenamerican.com/articles/2011/11/16/a ...
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