carygold
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05-11-12 02:38 PM - Post#149316
In response to mgrayar
You still didn't get my point Cary. How many people that identify themselves as liberals actual meet your definition? Go back and read your posts.
I just gave you a historical list of liberals, I don't think your reading what I write, I think your skimming for things to object to for the sake of objection. Its getting old.
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05-11-12 02:48 PM - Post#149318
In response to lostyankee
and yet these bozos were radical leftists, and nothing you spin about will change that fact.
Look at it this way, the only thing separating these guys and guys like McVeigh is their end of the ideology. Your premise that no one on the left has violent tendencies is absurd in the extreme.
Let me say it this way. People on the left that have the ideology "of the left" are not killers. People that are killers may adopt a cause, like Occupy Wall Street but they are not true believers or they would not attempt to blow people up. In the same way a real christian would not put a bullet into a Doctors head, because the doctor is listed as an abortion doctor. A real Christian would pray for God to change the doctors heart, that is their ideology, not using bullets.
But those on the violent right truly believe, that one day they will need to kill fellow American's for god and country, it is a part of the ideology, Guns, Gun licenses, trucks full of fertilizer, hidden Militia's. They are not much different than members of the old KKK. The violence is part of their ideology.
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05-11-12 07:56 PM - Post#149322
In response to carygold
No Cary, I am asking a simple question. You have an idealistic definition of liberals that does not fit the type of people that identify themselves as liberals today.
Your ability to talk in circles is impressive, but tiring.
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05-11-12 07:59 PM - Post#149323
In response to carygold
and yet these bozos were radical leftists, and nothing you spin about will change that fact.
Look at it this way, the only thing separating these guys and guys like McVeigh is their end of the ideology. Your premise that no one on the left has violent tendencies is absurd in the extreme.
Let me say it this way. People on the left that have the ideology "of the left" are not killers. People that are killers may adopt a cause, like Occupy Wall Street but they are not true believers or they would not attempt to blow people up. In the same way a real christian would not put a bullet into a Doctors head, because the doctor is listed as an abortion doctor. A real Christian would pray for God to change the doctors heart, that is their ideology, not using bullets.
But those on the violent right truly believe, that one day they will need to kill fellow American's for god and country, it is a part of the ideology, Guns, Gun licenses, trucks full of fertilizer, hidden Militia's. They are not much different than members of the old KKK. The violence is part of their ideology.
So you are saying only abnormal lefties want to kill, but the normal righty is prone to violence? If you are, your ignorant.
Only abnormal people seek out violence. Both ideologies have them, but none represent the norm.
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05-12-12 10:15 AM - Post#149327
In response to carygold
Wow... you really are naive Cary... I had no idea until now...
Che Guevera
Castro
Lenin
Stalin
Lefties and killers just the same.
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carygold
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05-12-12 02:47 PM - Post#149336
In response to mgrayar
No Cary, I am asking a simple question. You have an idealistic definition of liberals that does not fit the type of people that identify themselves as liberals today.
Your ability to talk in circles is impressive, but tiring.
It is not idealist, it is historically accurate. Today conservatives hold on to what was once thought to be Liberal.
Just like gay marriage, it to will one day be something that conservatives will hold onto as their idea. Just like today they say the liberal words of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" as if they were conservative words.
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05-12-12 03:03 PM - Post#149338
In response to lostyankee
Wow... you really are naive Cary... I had no idea until now...
Che Guevera
Castro
Lenin
Stalin
Lefties and killers just the same.
Those people along with Hitler all started on the right as conservatives, it was conservatives and conservative parties and the military that brought them to power, look it up...
And in the end they used far left ideals to win over the people and yet were only pseudo left as they never really practiced what they preached.
Sort of like Catholic Priests that like young boys, are they really men of God, or just using an idealism for their own gain.
But liberals are not left as much as right wingers think they are lefties. Liberals seek a balance of power, the social contract, to be governed only by consent of those that are governed... that is a liberal idea.
You, like most right wing people don't know the difference between Liberals and Communists, so I can see why you would bring up people like Stalin. Stalin was not a lefty he was a dictator, posing as a lefty.
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05-12-12 07:07 PM - Post#149342
In response to carygold
I do know the difference, I've been making the point that they are different points on the spectrum of liberal ideals.
YOU, as a stubborn liberal, assume that you are always right. Liberals are just as likely to perform acts of violence as conservatives.
Again you try and distract the argument, true to Cary form. What in the @#$@ do Catholic priest have to do with left wing/right wing violence?
The leftists that will be smashing up Chicago at the upcoming summit are all part of YOUR tent my friend, not mine.
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carygold
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05-13-12 03:43 PM - Post#149356
In response to lostyankee
Are you saying I'm not always right?? Whaaaat?
What is considered left wing depends on who's talking.
Take the TSA for example. You know those people checking our bags and scanning our bodies for weapons.
Can you imagine the comparisons to Nazi Germany that would be on the right wing blog-o-sphere if Obama was the one to take private airport security and put Air Travel under government control? Can you imagine the complaints from the GOP, and the comparisons to communism from people like Hannity, Limbaugh and Beck.
So, I guess what is considered left or right thinking can in the eye of the beholder.
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