lostyankee
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05-05-12 08:41 AM - Post#149034
Institutionalized slavery, brought to you by the federal government.
Oh Julia, say it isn't so
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Allenite
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05-05-12 04:18 PM - Post#149043
In response to lostyankee
This is THE most serious of our issues. Perhaps it will finally make it into the presidential debate. The saddest part of it is that the takers and needers don't seem to understand what's really happening to them. Their REAL hope is being stolen by their paternalistic government.
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lostyankee
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05-06-12 11:39 AM - Post#149058
In response to Allenite
Like some others I find it downright creepy. Reminiscent of Soviet or Chinese communist indoctrination literature.
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cp
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05-06-12 04:21 PM - Post#149062
In response to lostyankee
I said it from day one, when BO got elected -- welcome to the Obama Grand Plantation! Prior to that was the Bush Grand Plantation.
Seems like no matter which way the pendullum swings, we're slaves to our masters. And we thought slavery was over, right?
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carygold
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05-07-12 08:56 AM - Post#149079
In response to cp
We won WWII by working together as a country.
We recovered from WWII by working together as a country.
We created great water ways, dams, highways systems, education systems, and military by working together as a country.
We created the most racially free nation in the world as a nation.
Everyone paid into the government coffers, the wealthy paid the most by far and we built the most profitable nation in history.
Now people are more dependent on each other than ever before in history for water, food, transportation, and electricity.
But now we want to change things again, we want to exclude government and let people survive alone, every person for his or herself. No more government involvement in anything. The same situation that caused the great depression.
I don't get it, have we not learned that our nation as a whole is much greater than the sum of her parts? Are we so fearful of our neighbor that we refuse to work together? If that's true, we are doomed to repeat the problems of the past.
If CEO's increased their pay at the same rate as Average Americans
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mgrayar
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05-07-12 09:03 AM - Post#149080
In response to carygold
Nobody is suggesting that Cary. You are exaggerating again.
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carygold
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05-07-12 09:44 AM - Post#149081
In response to mgrayar
Then what are they saying?
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mgrayar
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05-07-12 10:44 AM - Post#149083
In response to carygold
Its definitely not "we want zero government" as you suggest. That would be more representative of the occupy terrorists who were caught last week.
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carygold
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05-07-12 11:15 AM - Post#149087
In response to mgrayar
You didn't answer the question, you just inappropriately linked two events that are not related. Occupy Wall Street and the actions of a few crazy people are not linked, except in the right wing media, and neither have anything to do with the responses to the Julia ad.
Is it that hard to answer the question?
How is helping people get an education making them slaves as in the "plantation comment?"
If CEO's increased their pay at the same rate as Average Americans
their pay would average $1,384,890 not $10,621,000 |
Edited by carygold on 05-07-12 11:16 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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mgrayar
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05-07-12 01:04 PM - Post#149092
In response to carygold
You didn't answer the question, you just inappropriately linked two events that are not related. Occupy Wall Street and the actions of a few crazy people are not linked, except in the right wing media, and neither have anything to do with the responses to the Julia ad.
Is it that hard to answer the question?
How is helping people get an education making them slaves as in the "plantation comment?"
Thanks for responding so predictably. I linked the two just to elicit this response so I could follow up with another question:
Where was this outrage when Chico repeatedly called the same group "Republican Terrorists" and also linked them incorrectly to the Tea Party? Seems you are very selective in your defending incorrectly bashed groups.
Is it just me, or are you a bit inconsistent?
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Edited by mgrayar on 05-07-12 01:04 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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cp
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05-07-12 02:25 PM - Post#149096
In response to carygold
We won WWII by working together as a country.
We recovered from WWII by working together as a country.
We created great water ways, dams, highways systems, education systems, and military by working together as a country.
We created the most racially free nation in the world as a nation.
Everyone paid into the government coffers, the wealthy paid the most by far and we built the most profitable nation in history.
Now people are more dependent on each other than ever before in history for water, food, transportation, and electricity.
But now we want to change things again, we want to exclude government and let people survive alone, every person for his or herself. No more government involvement in anything. The same situation that caused the great depression.
I don't get it, have we not learned that our nation as a whole is much greater than the sum of her parts? Are we so fearful of our neighbor that we refuse to work together? If that's true, we are doomed to repeat the problems of the past.
You clearly, and I mean CLEARLY, read too fast what I wrote, or simply interpreted it your own way. Either way, you got it wrong. I didn't say anything about neighbor and being fearful of them. So, where did you get that nonsense? I'd MUCH MUCH MUCH rather depend on my neighbor than that government in DC. A huge difference, but maybe your definition of neighbor is different than mine. Obviously, it is...
Have fun getting the slave treatment and promoting it with your friends in Washington...
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carygold
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05-07-12 03:48 PM - Post#149097
In response to cp
We won WWII by working together as a country.
We recovered from WWII by working together as a country.
We created great water ways, dams, highways systems, education systems, and military by working together as a country.
We created the most racially free nation in the world as a nation.
Everyone paid into the government coffers, the wealthy paid the most by far and we built the most profitable nation in history.
Now people are more dependent on each other than ever before in history for water, food, transportation, and electricity.
But now we want to change things again, we want to exclude government and let people survive alone, every person for his or herself. No more government involvement in anything. The same situation that caused the great depression.
I don't get it, have we not learned that our nation as a whole is much greater than the sum of her parts? Are we so fearful of our neighbor that we refuse to work together? If that's true, we are doomed to repeat the problems of the past.
You clearly, and I mean CLEARLY, read too fast what I wrote, or simply interpreted it your own way. Either way, you got it wrong. I didn't say anything about neighbor and being fearful of them. So, where did you get that nonsense? I'd MUCH MUCH MUCH rather depend on my neighbor than that government in DC. A huge difference, but maybe your definition of neighbor is different than mine. Obviously, it is...
Have fun getting the slave treatment and promoting it with your friends in Washington...
Why is it no one can answer a question?
How does helping people get an education, make them slaves?
If CEO's increased their pay at the same rate as Average Americans
their pay would average $1,384,890 not $10,621,000 |
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carygold
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05-07-12 03:49 PM - Post#149098
In response to mgrayar
You didn't answer the question, you just inappropriately linked two events that are not related. Occupy Wall Street and the actions of a few crazy people are not linked, except in the right wing media, and neither have anything to do with the responses to the Julia ad.
Is it that hard to answer the question?
How is helping people get an education making them slaves as in the "plantation comment?"
Thanks for responding so predictably. I linked the two just to elicit this response so I could follow up with another question:
Where was this outrage when Chico repeatedly called the same group "Republican Terrorists" and also linked them incorrectly to the Tea Party? Seems you are very selective in your defending incorrectly bashed groups.
Is it just me, or are you a bit inconsistent?
I guess you still cannot answer the question?
If CEO's increased their pay at the same rate as Average Americans
their pay would average $1,384,890 not $10,621,000 |
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lostyankee
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05-07-12 07:36 PM - Post#149107
In response to carygold
We answer your question all the time, you're just never listening.
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mgrayar
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05-07-12 09:34 PM - Post#149111
In response to carygold
You didn't answer the question, you just inappropriately linked two events that are not related. Occupy Wall Street and the actions of a few crazy people are not linked, except in the right wing media, and neither have anything to do with the responses to the Julia ad.
Is it that hard to answer the question?
How is helping people get an education making them slaves as in the "plantation comment?"
Thanks for responding so predictably. I linked the two just to elicit this response so I could follow up with another question:
Where was this outrage when Chico repeatedly called the same group "Republican Terrorists" and also linked them incorrectly to the Tea Party? Seems you are very selective in your defending incorrectly bashed groups.
Is it just me, or are you a bit inconsistent?
I guess you still cannot answer the question?
Cary, you are lost again. Go back to my first response to you. You made a false statement and I called you out on it. That is all. I then point out that you are a bit inconsistent getting offended at the term "occupy terrorists" but not giving so much as a peep about "republican terrorist".
It's just par for the course with you. You only respond to what you feel you can defend.
I will repeat my first response, "nobody is saying they want zero government."
Beyond that, all you need to do is read if you still don't know what they are actually saying.
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asmile4u
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05-07-12 10:52 PM - Post#149113
In response to lostyankee
We answer your question all the time, you're just never listening.
All we're asking is to respectfully read and respond to our posts.
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carygold
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05-08-12 12:33 PM - Post#149132
In response to asmile4u
I personally am not defending the Life of Julia ad, I am in fact questioning the attached rhetoric "Of institutionalized slavery, or the comment the "Plantation of Obama."
I showed how America has progressed by working together with real world examples.
Then, I asked the question "how does helping someone get an education make them a slave?"
No one can answer the question. You can make the statement but you can't explain your own comments.
Just as mgrayar say's no one is talking about "No government," well guess what, the Julia ad is not talking about "all government either."
If it were not for the Federal Government, opening up opportunities for women, and minorities, many states would still consider women as property, just as Texas did until the late 1960's. It is the reason a man lost his home in the divorce, he was divorcing his property.
Hiring for women and minorities is also a result of work done by Democrats and the federal government. Many American Indian's got their first education in Head Start programs. Many Blacks can go to college because they can now attend the same schools as whites.
Again, how does helping our fellow Americans, make us slaves?
Is there anyone that can answer that question, or is all that anyone can say is to give meaningless answers?
If CEO's increased their pay at the same rate as Average Americans
their pay would average $1,384,890 not $10,621,000 |
Edited by carygold on 05-08-12 12:35 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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mgrayar
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05-08-12 01:56 PM - Post#149136
In response to carygold
Nobody said it did Cary, why are you asking us to defend a position that nobody has propagated?
Now, I asked you a question that actually applied directly to you. Are you going to answer? I doubt it.
Again, why did you get offended and go on the attack when I used the term "occupy terrorists" to define the group from last week, yet you did not do the same when Chico called the same group "republican terrorists"?
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Edited by mgrayar on 05-08-12 01:59 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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carygold
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05-08-12 02:37 PM - Post#149137
In response to mgrayar
Nobody said it did Cary, why are you asking us to defend a position that nobody has propagated?
Now, I asked you a question that actually applied directly to you. Are you going to answer? I doubt it.
Again, why did you get offended and go on the attack when I used the term "occupy terrorists" to define the group from last week, yet you did not do the same when Chico called the same group "republican terrorists"?
Why do you keep changing the subject?
I am not offended by the "occupy terrorist" term, that is your assumption. I simply corrected your linking two events that have no link to them. This conversation has nothing to do with Chico, I'm not sure why you insist on bringing him into it.
You make lots of assumptions and constantly change the subject.
And yes the GOP would like to take the federal government as close to zero as they can, but that was not my point. Working together is my point. Again another assumption by you.
You accused me of exaggerating, but what I said is based in solid evidence. What is an exaggeration here is not what I'm saying, its the slavery comments that begin with the first posting...something you seam to have completely missed.
That's why I'm asking a really simple question, how is helping people slavery?
No one can justify those "slavery" comments, regardless how many times I ask. No One.
If CEO's increased their pay at the same rate as Average Americans
their pay would average $1,384,890 not $10,621,000 |
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mgrayar
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05-08-12 05:17 PM - Post#149142
In response to carygold
Again Cary, nobody is saying that. You seem confused. Helping people is what we ALL do.
Having a government that promotes a life of living off the government as a viable option, rather than a worst case scenario is what the OP considered "trying to create slaves". That is different and you are exaggerating.
You can argue that the article is incorrect in its interpretation. That's definitely open for debate. But nobody in this thread is saying they want zero government or to not help anyone. That is your deliberate exaggeration.
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Edited by mgrayar on 05-08-12 05:18 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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