carygold
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05-11-12 12:03 AM - Post#149290
In response to mgrayar
Again Cary, nobody is saying that. You seem confused. Helping people is what we ALL do.
Having a government that promotes a life of living off the government as a viable option, rather than a worst case scenario is what the OP considered "trying to create slaves". That is different and you are exaggerating.
You can argue that the article is incorrect in its interpretation. That's definitely open for debate. But nobody in this thread is saying they want zero government or to not help anyone. That is your deliberate exaggeration.
Look up "Starve the Beast." Its how republicans plan to get people to vote against government assistance, even when it benefits them.
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mgrayar
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05-11-12 07:25 AM - Post#149295
In response to carygold
Why look it up? Will it tell me that someone in this thread is promoting zero government? If not, then you still are incorrect in your accusations. Just admit it.
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carygold
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05-11-12 08:45 AM - Post#149297
In response to mgrayar
Why look it up? Will it tell me that someone in this thread is promoting zero government? If not, then you still are incorrect in your accusations. Just admit it.
I never said someone here is promoting zero government... you said that... over and over like a stuck record. Your assumption machine is running on all cylinders.
I was only showing a contrast between what we did in WWII working together as a nation to a country where every person exists without government assistance. I pointed at no one on this forum, my statement was a generalization, not an accusation.
Now, tell me how providing assistance to people is slavery? Because that was actually said here.
lostyankee...Institutionalized slavery, brought to you by the federal government.
cp....Seems like no matter which way the pendullum swings, we're slaves to our masters. And we thought slavery was over, right?
I would think that those slavery statements would bother you more than the simple comparison I made.
Slavery is about dividing families, forced labor, starvation, and cruel punishment.
Julia, went to head start, got a Mammogram and educational assistance, how is that slavery?
If CEO's increased their pay at the same rate as Average Americans
their pay would average $1,384,890 not $10,621,000 |
Edited by carygold on 05-11-12 09:07 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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lostyankee
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05-11-12 12:34 PM - Post#149309
In response to carygold
My argument is quite valid. Please tell me how the Great Society has weaned anyone off government assistance? We have just as much poverty as before, we've just institutionalized it. What should be viewed as a safety net (for which I 100% support) has become a way of life for many. It's the whole "give a man a fish" argument. We're not teaching anyone how to fish, but merely consolidating power in Washington by maintaining the status quo.
Julia never pays for anything. That's the point.
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mgrayar
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05-11-12 01:16 PM - Post#149311
In response to carygold
Why look it up? Will it tell me that someone in this thread is promoting zero government? If not, then you still are incorrect in your accusations. Just admit it.
I never said someone here is promoting zero government... you said that... over and over like a stuck record. Your assumption machine is running on all cylinders.
I was only showing a contrast between what we did in WWII working together as a nation to a country where every person exists without government assistance. I pointed at no one on this forum, my statement was a generalization, not an accusation.
Now, tell me how providing assistance to people is slavery? Because that was actually said here.
lostyankee... Institutionalized slavery, brought to you by the federal government.
cp.... Seems like no matter which way the pendullum swings, we're slaves to our masters. And we thought slavery was over, right?
I would think that those slavery statements would bother you more than the simple comparison I made.
Slavery is about dividing families, forced labor, starvation, and cruel punishment.
Julia, went to head start, got a Mammogram and educational assistance, how is that slavery?
Cary, start at post #5 in this thread and read for a bit. You will then understand. It's very simple. I know you wont care, but it's right there for you.
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carygold
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05-11-12 02:11 PM - Post#149315
In response to lostyankee
My argument is quite valid. Please tell me how the Great Society has weaned anyone off government assistance? We have just as much poverty as before, we've just institutionalized it. What should be viewed as a safety net (for which I 100% support) has become a way of life for many. It's the whole "give a man a fish" argument. We're not teaching anyone how to fish, but merely consolidating power in Washington by maintaining the status quo.
Julia never pays for anything. That's the point.
I don't think you looked at the slide show.
Actually, Julia pays for it all, rather than become a member of the poverty you say is institutionalized, she succeeds.
Her parents can keep her on their insurance, private insurance, and when Julia needs an operation the family is not bankrupt over it, creating more poverty.
She gets an education loan that she pays back with interest,
She gets an SBA loan, to create a business, she pays that loan back as well and later hires people to work and pay more taxes.
She is not living off of the government, she is getting assistance, to create a better life, to be a more productive citizen, to have kids that don't need more assistance.
Did you even see "The Life of Julia" or did you just make assumptions.
Still, how does government assistance compare to slavery?
One is a collection of programs to help people get ahead and be more free, the other is a form of forced labor and cruelty.
This assistance is following the "teaching a man to fish" ideology.
If CEO's increased their pay at the same rate as Average Americans
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Edited by carygold on 05-11-12 02:13 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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lostyankee
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05-12-12 10:16 AM - Post#149328
In response to carygold
I did. You just don't choose to listen. Again. and again... and again.
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carygold
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05-12-12 02:40 PM - Post#149335
In response to lostyankee
I did. You just don't choose to listen. Again. and again... and again.
You said, "Julia never pays for anything. That's the point." However she not only pays for everything she becomes a job producer.
And still no one can explain the "slavery" analogy.
America is stronger when help those that want to get ahead, and when we work together as a nation we can conquer anything. But if you don't think government is in the hands of those that are governed, you allow those with the big money to tell you how to think, and how to ignore those neighbors of yours that have the talent, but lack the resources.
In other words big money blocks helping the people that would one day themselves challenge the big money people. There are people that are now telling you, people like Julia are just bloodsuckers. The fact is they are afraid of the competition. They are afraid of what will happen when Julia gets to play in the same ball park as they do.
That government assistance... it could change your life as well. Working together for the improvement of the whole.
If CEO's increased their pay at the same rate as Average Americans
their pay would average $1,384,890 not $10,621,000 |
Edited by carygold on 05-12-12 03:15 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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lostyankee
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05-12-12 07:11 PM - Post#149344
In response to carygold
I explained it. You choose not to listen. Go back and read.
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