Cheatham Parent
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01-31-14 04:35 PM - Post#165953
There were multiple fights at the high school today and apparently a couple arrests. Haven't heard much more than that. Anyone else have better info on what happened?
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KCSmiles
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01-31-14 04:39 PM - Post#165954
In response to Cheatham Parent
I've heard from several that at least 5 fights broke out today. And various rumors (want to make sure you all read the word- rumors- not facts)that police and teachers were struck while trying to break up the incidents.
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01-31-14 06:12 PM - Post#165955
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In my day I was taught to defend myself. Unfortunately I've taught my 6'2 well-built sophomore that if someone wants to pick a fight all you have to say is, "is it worth jail?" Best to avoid the fight rather than let the ego get in the way. Too many things can happen in a fight.
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01-31-14 11:40 PM - Post#165956
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To quote the APD officer I spoke to at 2:00pm, "just a bunch of stupid kids". There was a fire alarm at about 12:30pm, but I am not sure if the fire alarm was to allow the fights to start or if the fights started because the kids were outside after the fire alarm occurred. I can confirm that I saw two kids in cuffs hauled off.
I am hoping that AHS will send out something about the incident that brought a LOT of APD officers to campus.
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02-01-14 08:28 AM - Post#165961
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My son is a junior at the high school and yes...there was a counselor struck while trying to break up a fight.
Initially, some small fights broke out when the school was evacuated outside due to the fire alarm going off. Several students were handcuffed while they were outside, but not those necessarily those that were fighting. My son said that the students who were handcuffed were put in cuffs almost immediately upon exiting the building.
When they were all cleared to go back in, this is when the big fights broke out inside the building.
The principle came on the intercom and told the student body that he was disappointed in them and there would be much more police presence at the next pass between periods.
My son walked his girlfriend to her class at the next pass and then left the building to go home.
He was shocked and stunned that these students were acting like street fighters. He just wanted to get out of the mess without getting stuck in the middle of it. My kid is one of the those that was trying to move away from the fights while the majority of the student body was trying to move towards it.
He also said that he has never seen a police officer move that fast!
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02-01-14 10:46 AM - Post#165964
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AHS fight
This is a fight from a week or so ago. I'm not saying fights at the high school are okay but they do occur (and have been for a long time). Teenagers + raging hormones = fights, regardless of the affulence of their school/community. Bottom line, teach your kid to not overreact to negative comments and just walk away (and stay away from fights in progress instead of trying to video it on your phone!).
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02-01-14 11:12 AM - Post#165967
In response to jogo
The kids that are fighting probably don't have parents that are capable of giving good advice. Kids that do, probably would never fight. My guess is that fights happen in schools everywhere, we just happen to hear about the ones in AHS.
When I've ask my kids about what they heard or saw in these disturbances, they usually tell me they were not there because they were busy going to band or an AP class. I'm proud of my kids and the others who simply have no interest in this BS.
A general comment here... just because someone is in handcuffs or stuck in the back seat of a police car does not mean that person has been arrested (with charges pending). It could be that they are just being detained until the facts are sorted out.
Edited by Don4 on 02-01-14 11:21 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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02-01-14 04:37 PM - Post#165977
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I blame the stadium.
There were NEVER fights at AHS until the stadium was built. Or the devil spawn known as Walmart erupted from hell's portal (AKA the red dagger).
All I can say is maybe they need to change the dress code or have a weight limit on stretch pants. I mean the lycra in those pants was getting fully load tested.
In my day, the asst. principal would make us push a nickle down the hallway with your nose.
Hey is this the same girl from the fighting video posted last year???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fus1_vtS9Oo
Edited by DrivinTooFast on 02-01-14 05:24 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Allensince1993
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02-02-14 11:14 AM - Post#165980
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I blame the stadium.
There were NEVER fights at AHS until the stadium was built. Or the devil spawn known as Walmart erupted from hell's portal (AKA the red dagger).
All I can say is maybe they need to change the dress code or have a weight limit on stretch pants. I mean the lycra in those pants was getting fully load tested.
In my day, the asst. principal would make us push a nickle down the hallway with your nose.
Hey is this the same girl from the fighting video posted last year???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fus1_vtS9Oo
That video is a perfect example of lack of parenting. The fight itself and the mob mentality encouraging it. Heck, even parents have the 'mob' mentality. Ever see someone go down in the press because they make a mistake and then the 'piling' goes on? No difference...mob mentality. Idiots, idiots, idiots.
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02-02-14 11:54 AM - Post#165982
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I blame the stadium.
There were NEVER fights at AHS until the stadium was built. Or the devil spawn known as Walmart erupted from hell's portal (AKA the red dagger).
All I can say is maybe they need to change the dress code or have a weight limit on stretch pants. I mean the lycra in those pants was getting fully load tested.
In my day, the asst. principal would make us push a nickle down the hallway with your nose.
Hey is this the same girl from the fighting video posted last year???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fus1_vtS9Oo
That video is a perfect example of lack of parenting. The fight itself and the mob mentality encouraging it. Heck, even parents have the 'mob' mentality. Ever see someone go down in the press because they make a mistake and then the 'piling' goes on? No difference...mob mentality. Idiots, idiots, idiots.
I think this zero tolerance violence policy is silly. I think it actually empowers bullies more because the person being bullied or some good samaritan will not step up and pop a bully in the teeth.
I will say this, I deal with lower socio-economic people every day and its a struggle and a fight for them to live. In general I find them to be more aggressive physically and quicker to react aggressively to any perceived threat or perceived slight. Is that the cause of their SE status or is that the product of growing up in lower SE neighborhoods and situations? Difficult to point one way or the other.
I will also say that this heightened sense of aggression WILL inhibit someone's ability to move up out of their SE situation.
I find it unfortunate that there are many physical altercations at any school. But alas it will happen when dealing with the adolescent mind.
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Allensince1993
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02-02-14 12:19 PM - Post#165983
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I discussed this with my son this AM. Two black girls starting fighting outside when they did the fire alarm test. He then said the officers were in the hallway getting kids to class and a Mexican-American kid didn't like it, felt pushed by the officer, and he then struck the officer and the principal. He was taken to jail. Hitting an officer....not good.
I asked him point blank, "any white kids fighting...any at all?" and he said no. I asked him his opinion on why he thought that was so and it's all summed up in your response.
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02-02-14 01:03 PM - Post#165984
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Oh please do not mistake my answers as being racially based. I know plenty of white kids that are growing up in poor or broken homes. This is an issue of SE status rather than race.
In general, Allen does not have too great lower SE population and the behavior of all students is tempered to the mean of the school. But there are plenty of kids in the school that are angry and have not yet learned how to deal with that.
I think we can all feel better that all the altercations have been with fists rather than guns or knives. At least everyone is still alive and walking around.
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Allensince1993
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02-02-14 05:51 PM - Post#165985
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I totally agree but in an affluent town like Allen the affected SE population typically is higher minority based. It was that way when I was growing up and it is still an issue today. We have to lift people from this suffering SE population, empower them, make family important, give them role models, and help them graduate from that situation. I asked my son for very specifics and those details were facts as he knew them and he told me SE status is a difference maker when counting up who is getting in fights, etc.
I served in Dallas over 7 years as a firefighter. Our responses to crime-related injuries weren't in the affluent or 'nicer' areas. It's exactly how you stated. SE status matters.
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02-03-14 08:19 PM - Post#166007
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Why would someone of Mexican descent have a conversation that is putting a positive view on white children v.s. minorities (black, Mexican or otherwise)? I don't understand this.
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02-03-14 09:08 PM - Post#166010
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Why would someone of Mexican descent have a conversation that is putting a positive view on white children v.s. minorities (black, Mexican or otherwise)? I don't understand this.
I guess it's all about how you view things. I'm not going to put any 'spin' on something that is very real in our society. The minority population makes up the greater percentage of the disadvantaged SE population and how it was described earlier by another poster is so real, they learn to fight more because of their situation. They have it tougher than those in more affluent societies. Those facts can't be overlooked.
When Bill Cosby talks about the black youth and what they need to be doing differently he is not putting a positive light on white children he is simply calling out facts. That's all I did.
This was said earlier: I will say this, I deal with lower socio-economic people every day and its a struggle and a fight for them to live. In general I find them to be more aggressive physically and quicker to react aggressively to any perceived threat or perceived slight. Is that the cause of their SE status or is that the product of growing up in lower SE neighborhoods and situations? Difficult to point one way or the other.
There could not be any more truer words spoken. I've lived it and I've seen it.
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02-04-14 04:32 PM - Post#166024
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"I've lived it and I've seen it."
Please explain how you have lived it. I am curious.
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Allensince1993
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02-05-14 03:32 PM - Post#166037
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I'm going to send you a PM because it's too graphic for this site.
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02-06-14 10:19 AM - Post#166046
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I wasn't referring to the facts as far as minorities, etc. I was referring to a parent of Mexican descent, speaking with his child about a school fight. Regardless of statistics, what was the point of even going there? What message were you trying to convey to your child? Your child walks away with a negative view on minorities thinking hmmm..."I am part Hispanic/Mexican. What must that say about me?" Our children may not say it, but they feel it.
This really wasn't about the details as far as statistics when it comes to minorities, underprivileged children/families, etc.
My child comes home and shares with me that violence occurred in their school. It would not even occur to me to ask what race the individuals were. And I am Caucasian. That was my point.
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02-06-14 10:34 AM - Post#166047
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I wasn't referring to the facts as far as minorities, etc. I was referring to a parent of Mexican descent, speaking with his child about a school fight. Regardless of statistics, what was the point of even going there? What message were you trying to convey to your child? Your child walks away with a negative view on minorities thinking hmmm..."I am part Hispanic/Mexican. What must that say about me?" Our children may not say it, but they feel it.
This really wasn't about the details as far as statistics when it comes to minorities, underprivileged children/families, etc.
My child comes home and shares with me that violence occurred in their school. It would not even occur to me to ask what race the individuals were. And I am Caucasian. That was my point.
It's interesting how people see things from their own perspective and for whatever reason on how your drew your conclusion that is your right. Let me repeat what I said:
I discussed this with my son this AM. Two black girls starting fighting outside when they did the fire alarm test. He then said the officers were in the hallway getting kids to class and a Mexican-American kid didn't like it, felt pushed by the officer, and he then struck the officer and the principal. He was taken to jail. Hitting an officer....not good.
I asked him point blank, "any white kids fighting...any at all?" and he said no. I asked him his opinion on why he thought that was so and it's all summed up in your response.
I discussed the incident with my sophomore son, a very intelligent young man who I engage with constantly. He told me in his own words (black girls...a Mexican boy...) and so I asked him if any 'white's were involved. I wanted to ask him that because he felt it necessary, for whatever reason to describe in a fashion of 'race'. I then asked him why he thought that was and his answers were striking similar to the drivinfast post. This young kid is a bit more wise above his years, maybe because he sees my cousins, etc. back home and knows people who are more disadvantaged than others 'fight more' and are more 'aggressive' and statistically speaking minorities are proportionally more represented in that group. Fair or unfair that's just how it is. I guess you also missed my opinion that we need to address this my empowering them and helping them get out of poverty and to give them mentors, etc.
You can't fault me for 'asking' my son what his opinions were. I wanted him to tell me his thoughts and I want him to share his opinions. I wish more parents would talk to their kids candidly and that kids could share their opinions without reproach.
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tamss13
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02-09-14 10:00 PM - Post#166093
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Isn't something like 4000 kids in that high school and that only 10th to 12th....that two Mckinney Highs or almost three Lovejoys........
with that many kids things are going to happen.....
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Allensince1993
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02-09-14 10:47 PM - Post#166094
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Isn't something like 4000 kids in that high school and that only 10th to 12th....that two Mckinney Highs or almost three Lovejoys........
with that many kids things are going to happen.....
No matter the population it's less frequent in the affluent areas.
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02-10-14 09:31 AM - Post#166096
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since ,
I think you are right on point with your comments.
"Minority" friends that have spoken to me about this
same problem have voice similar opinions. It is
interesting to me that families that have worked so hard
to move up in the SE chain, and moved to Allen to get out of the influences they found in the out neighborhoods, have kids that exhibit the behaviors of the old SE cultures.
I love our community and know that we don't have to deal with most of the things that other communities see every day.
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