Cheatham Parent
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02-28-14 09:39 AM - Post#166483
In response to ChrisH
I think some folks (not necessarily here, but perhaps some here) are actually hoping for the worst.
I am certainly not happy that there are problems, but at this point, I just want to see that they are addressed in a proper and timely manner. Everything I've read regarding Pogue since this was announced says that they are going to work with the district and live up to their obligations to make things right. (until I see them start pushing back, I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt on that one)
I don't believe this issue shows a failure of leadership of the administration. They have acted responsible by bringing in an independent engineering firm to assess the problem and have made the right decision by shutting down the facility until they have a better understanding of what they are really dealing with.
Timing of this problem couldn't be worse given we have a board election and a new superintendent coming on board. But then again, since Dr. Hindt is new to the district, he won't have to waste his time defending the finger pointing that would surely come his way had he been around during construction.
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Jeremy
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02-28-14 09:55 AM - Post#166484
In response to Cheatham Parent
I agree. I'll wait until the engineering report and recommendations before passing judgement. I wish more people would. I'm not a contractor so I can't begin to try to explain cement cracking. I'll leave that up to the experts. I did see the interview where Pogue said they were going to work with AISD to resolve this. He doesn't believe the FB season will be impacted but sadly there is no way graduation will be there. I agree that the administration did the right thing by closing it but they will be attacked for doing it. This will be the platform for at least 2 of the 3 candidates trying to unset the incumbants.
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pup
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02-28-14 10:00 AM - Post#166485
In response to Cheatham Parent
Here are my expectations.
AISD pays nothing for the engineering examination.
AISD pays nothing towards fixing this and making it right.
AISD is fully reimbursed the entire cost of holding graduation somewhere else.
AISD is fully reimbursed for any other losses or costs incurred stemming from this shutdown.
The contractors, subcontractors and designers were hired to do this right, they bear the burden 100% in this.
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scuba26
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02-28-14 10:14 AM - Post#166487
In response to Stirling
+1
Fools and their money.
+1 - No Kids here and voted no on the project.
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AA
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02-28-14 10:24 AM - Post#166488
In response to pup
Here are my expectations.
AISD pays nothing for the engineering examination.
AISD pays nothing towards fixing this and making it right.
AISD is fully reimbursed the entire cost of holding graduation somewhere else.
AISD is fully reimbursed for any other losses or costs incurred stemming from this shutdown.
The contractors, subcontractors and designers were hired to do this right, they bear the burden 100% in this.
 Wouldn't be satisfied with anything less
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vrs
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02-28-14 10:34 AM - Post#166490
In response to AA
I left the Board at the time the bond passed in 2009 so I guess I can hold an opinion on this without being accused of defensiveness for my alleged lack of oversight during the contracting and construction process.
Here is what I see. The district facilities personnel were very proactive in monitoring the condition of the concourse. The situation was observed immediately and monitored over the next 12 months to see if the concrete was showing the behavior of a normal curing process or unusual cracking. That much concrete takes a long time to fully cure.
Concerned it might be more than normal cracking, the district hired an engineering firm to come in and do an independent assessment. Upon the recommendation of the engineering firm and out of an abundance of caution, the facility was closed down until the assessment can be completed.
So, instead of covering up and allowing the situation to deteriorate, the district has been prudent in responding, not reacting, proactive in remedies and communication, and has prioritized student and community safety in determining its course of action.
I just don't see the alleged lack of oversight. Quite the contrary.
Now it's time to see if Pogue & PBK are going to step up and do the right thing without getting the legal eagles involved. The stadium is intended to serve the community literally for generations to come. If fixing it right takes us into the next football season, so be it.
The thing I kept hearing last night on the news is that the district has a very expensive problem when actually pup is on the mark. Pogue and PBK are the ones with the expensive problem.
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Jeremy
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02-28-14 11:48 AM - Post#166493
In response to vrs
"legal eagles"... it would be hilarious if that was really the AISD legal department name. :)
I agree with Pup as well. Isn't that where the weight room is for the athletes? If so the district should provide them memberships at a local gym to use at the expense of the contrators also. Just a thought.
Even though Pogue used a sub... they are responsible for the work done by that sub. With the amount of school and non-profit work they do... and the amount of what will surely be national attention... I see them making this right at no cost to the ISD. It is in the best interest.
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vrs
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02-28-14 12:10 PM - Post#166497
In response to Jeremy
Jeepers - I just got a call from a reporter looking for "the REAL story that no one is telling"
I blamed earthquakes caused by frac'ing in Ok and west of Ft Worth.
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TXHunter
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02-28-14 12:14 PM - Post#166498
In response to Jeremy
There is still the weight facility in the Activity Center where athletics worked out before the stadium was built. And wrestling will just move back to it's old facility in the Lowery center.
Day to day activities aren't impacted near as much as events like graduation and football.
"legal eagles"... it would be hilarious if that was really the AISD legal department name. :)
I agree with Pup as well. Isn't that where the weight room is for the athletes? If so the district should provide them memberships at a local gym to use at the expense of the contrators also. Just a thought.
Even though Pogue used a sub... they are responsible for the work done by that sub. With the amount of school and non-profit work they do... and the amount of what will surely be national attention... I see them making this right at no cost to the ISD. It is in the best interest.
Political Correctness: A liberal idea that holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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02-28-14 12:18 PM - Post#166500
In response to vrs
I'm pretty sure that global warming is involved somehow.
Two plus two equals five, for sufficiently large values of two.
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Tough 75002
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02-28-14 12:25 PM - Post#166501
In response to MO
Just a general response to the nasties out there.
You know what is the worst part about this is?
All of the gossip gals coming out of the wood work to voice their nasty opinions when they have no clue what is taking place behind the scenes.
Some of the comments that have been made are more embarrassing than the fact that the stadium has some issues.
Remember, what you say and write comes back to the students.
The Poques are top notch. They will make sure this is taken care of properly.
In the mean time, stop the finger pointing, act like adults, and stop making Allen look like a bunch of idiots by what you say on the news.
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brian0527
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02-28-14 01:08 PM - Post#166502
In response to Tough 75002
Just a general response to the nasties out there.
You know what is the worst part about this is?
All of the gossip gals coming out of the wood work to voice their nasty opinions when they have no clue what is taking place behind the scenes.
Some of the comments that have been made are more embarrassing than the fact that the stadium has some issues.
Remember, what you say and write comes back to the students.
The Poques are top notch. They will make sure this is taken care of properly.
In the mean time, stop the finger pointing, act like adults, and stop making Allen look like a bunch of idiots by what you say on the news.
 
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Allensince1993
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02-28-14 01:12 PM - Post#166503
In response to Tough 75002
My fingers are pointing to huge cracks in the foundation. What would you do if it was your house?
In the meantime I'm defending the heck out of the stadium on FB and other mediums. They think we don't care about kids and only about sports. Some are getting lessons on how money works within the school system. We voted for it and we are paying for it because we can. Now we just need to get the repairs completed. But remember, finger pointing is okay because it brings out accountability. There's a reason why they are now investigating the bus barn project.
Maybe more people in Allen will vote and actually participate.
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Tough 75002
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02-28-14 01:31 PM - Post#166504
In response to Allensince1993
No fingers need to be pointed because nobody is shirking responsibilty. We live in Texas. Cracks happen. And it is not believed to be foundational, thank you. Nobody did this on purpose. The repairs will be made.
I am glad the ISD came forward with the info because I would expect nothing less from them. But in hindsight, it may have been better to have just waited for the report.
And if you want to bring on accountability, then look to the idiots spewing propoganda as they get their 30 sound bite with Phil Alvarado.
I think the ISD needs to boot every last reporter off the property. Ticks me off that they have been given access to the kids on school property. This is not a student issue. This is between the city, the contractors, and the inspectors.
My student athlete is absolutely mortified by the garbage that has been said. He told me not to worry about it, because "we are still going to get our championship next year. The stadium does not make us champions. We do."
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02-28-14 01:41 PM - Post#166505
In response to Tough 75002
Just a general response to the nasties out there.
You know what is the worst part about this is?
All of the gossip gals coming out of the wood work to voice their nasty opinions when they have no clue what is taking place behind the scenes.
Some of the comments that have been made are more embarrassing than the fact that the stadium has some issues.
Remember, what you say and write comes back to the students.
The Poques are top notch. They will make sure this is taken care of properly.
In the mean time, stop the finger pointing, act like adults, and stop making Allen look like a bunch of idiots by what you say on the news.
What do you mean (Look Like)?
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Allensince1993
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02-28-14 01:45 PM - Post#166506
In response to Tough 75002
No fingers need to be pointed because nobody is shirking responsibilty. We live in Texas. Cracks happen. And it is not believed to be foundational, thank you. Nobody did this on purpose. The repairs will be made.
I am glad the ISD came forward with the info because I would expect nothing less from them. But in hindsight, it may have been better to have just waited for the report.
And if you want to bring on accountability, then look to the idiots spewing propoganda as they get their 30 sound bite with Phil Alvarado.
I think the ISD needs to boot every last reporter off the property. Ticks me off that they have been given access to the kids on school property. This is not a student issue. This is between the city, the contractors, and the inspectors.
My student athlete is absolutely mortified by the garbage that has been said. He told me not to worry about it, because "we are still going to get our championship next year. The stadium does not make us champions. We do."
...act like adults, and stop making Allen look like a bunch of idiots by what you say on the news.
Why are you calling people idiots? I have a student athlete, too and a graduating senior. They aren't 'mortified' by the comments. They live in a community with the top stadium in the state and they know it comes with responsibility. They also know it invites envy. Haters will always hate.
This is a government-owned building, we have open records act, and boards meet openly per governed rules. I have no problems with reporters doing their job. We can't ban reporters. I also don't mind people bashing us online or pointing fingers. Let them do as they please. If anything, this media exposure will get us a fast remedy. Some contractor's name is exposed to this issue.
And it is not believed to be foundational, thank you.
Are you making a judgment or are you privy to information? They've closed the stadium due to safety concerns.
I am glad the ISD came forward with the info because I would expect nothing less from them. But in hindsight, it may have been better to have just waited for the report.
Actually, I think they did the right thing because as soon as the severity of the issue came forward they had no choice.
I'm proud of our stadium but I'm a little upset about some of the issues. Cracks were discovered back in 2012 and they've gotten worse...a lot worse. Let's just hope for the best.
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MO
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02-28-14 02:46 PM - Post#166509
In response to vrs
Jeepers - I just got a call from a reporter looking for "the REAL story that no one is telling"
I blamed earthquakes caused by frac'ing in Ok and west of Ft Worth.
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MO
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02-28-14 02:57 PM - Post#166510
In response to Tough 75002
He told me not to worry about it, because "we are still going to get our championship next year. The stadium does not make us champions. We do."
THIS should be the quote of the year!! You have a great one, sir!
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Allensince1993
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02-28-14 06:02 PM - Post#166525
In response to Tough 75002
I am glad the ISD came forward with the info because I would expect nothing less from them. But in hindsight, it may have been better to have just waited for the report.
Apparently someone tipped off the media and we had to come out immediately with an announcement. They were only 10% complete with the report but since word got out they made the decision to make an announcement. So much for 'safety first', right? Worried about the media...
In the end, it's better this gets out so the contractor has every incentive to see it through.
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Cheatham Parent
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02-28-14 06:22 PM - Post#166526
In response to Allensince1993
Apparently someone tipped off the media and we had to come out immediately with an announcement. They were only 10% complete with the report but since word got out they made the decision to make an announcement. So much for 'safety first', right? Worried about the media...
In the end, it's better this gets out so the contractor has every incentive to see it through.
Source on this please?
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