Loopy
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01-08-08 01:42 PM - Post#34943
I read where Allen has chosen to list my neighborhood as Section 8 Housing. I'm just trying to figure out what that means. Did the value of my house just drop? Does that mean the neighborhood is going to deteriorate?
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Nando
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01-08-08 01:45 PM - Post#34944
In response to Loopy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_8_(housi ng)
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sco
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01-08-08 01:48 PM - Post#34945
In response to Loopy
I'm not an expert but my understanding is that Section 8 is a government housing assistance program. The idea is that the government gives people who need assistance cash or vouchers that can be used towards housing costs. I'm mostly guessing, but I would think that declaring a neighborhood Section 8 would mean that it meets whatever government criteria that would allow people to use their vouchers for housing in that area.
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Brewer
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01-08-08 02:07 PM - Post#34947
In response to sco
It means that welfare mothers and thier hangers on will be moving into your area. Be very proactive about calling the PD for loud music, barking dogs or any other infraction. Call the code inspector about cars with no tags and high grass/weeds. These people are renters that don't even pay thier own rent, WE do. B
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EastAllen
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01-08-08 02:26 PM - Post#34949
In response to Brewer
It means that welfare mothers and thier hangers on will be moving into your area. Be very proactive about calling the PD for loud music, barking dogs or any other infraction. Call the code inspector about cars with no tags and high grass/weeds. These people are renters that don't even pay thier own rent, WE do. B
Let me guess, you are the president of the "Welcome to Allen" committee. My goodness, your anger is pretty depressing. Not all poor people are criminals. Where's your compassion? I will pray for you tonite.
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Super
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01-08-08 02:31 PM - Post#34952
In response to Loopy
I read where Allen has chosen to list my neighborhood as Section 8 Housing. I'm just trying to figure out what that means. Did the value of my house just drop? Does that mean the neighborhood is going to deteriorate?
While neither is assured, I would get out now just to be safe.
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jogo
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01-08-08 03:09 PM - Post#34958
In response to Loopy
Where did you read that information? I'm just curious.
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denisew
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01-08-08 03:18 PM - Post#34961
In response to Brewer
Barking dogs, high grass, etc. does not necessarily mean the people in that house are living there under a government housing program or criminals. It just means they don't care what their house looks like or if they are bothering the neighbors. Yes, I agree these issues should be reported, but these types of things happen in any neighborhood.
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Marine26
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01-08-08 03:46 PM - Post#34966
In response to denisew
Yeah, I disagree with Brewer also. I would rather rent to a section 8 family any day of the week vs your normal renter? They are required by the government to keep the property in good condition. The homes are inspected before and after the tenent lives there and if there is any damage other than the norm the government can decline housing assistance for that family. They typically are good renters.
Edited by Marine26 on 01-08-08 04:06 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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sco
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01-08-08 04:04 PM - Post#34968
In response to Marine26
My brother owns a fairly large number of rental units. He has found also that in general Section 8 clients are good tenants. The government part of the rent is paid directly to the landlord and the clients are required to pay part of the rent. As to the poster with the cracks about "welfare mothers", have you ever heard "there but for the grace of God go I".
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Loopy
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01-08-08 04:12 PM - Post#34970
In response to Marine26
Thanks for the information! I own my house, paid it off in full - I have no intention on renting it, I have been sinking a lot of $$ in to making it nice. I am just wondering if there will not be any fruits to my labor. Am I wasting time and money to keep adding to this house. I am not judging - I am questioning if this little development is going to lower my property value.
Because it is now a HUD neighborhood - the City came in and is repairing all the sidewalks...this didn't affect me as my sidewalks were already repaired by me.
My home value has increased every year I've lived here, now I just wonder if I need to be concerned that the tables will turn and the value will decline.
I don't know about these matters...I really am not judging anybody - my concern is for my "investment" in my home. :)
I could not find the original article at the DMN website where I read about it, but I did come across this link on the COA website that explains a little bit more...
http://www.cityofallen.org/planning/Templates/CD BG...
I'm still looking for more information.
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Michael
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01-08-08 04:19 PM - Post#34972
In response to Marine26
We have a section 8 house in our neighbor. We have had one tenant that was "normal". ALL of the others caused problems. They destroyed the house. Police were over there at least once a month. They were loud and inconsiderate. Did not keep up the yard. It was a huge blight on the neighborhood.
Other people trying to sell their houses were having trouble because prospective buyers would see that house and not want to buy a house anywhere near it.
The last folks that lived there used and sold drugs. It seemed like the police were over there about once a week. Near the end, the whole neighborhood was woke up at 5:30am by a "flash-bang" the SWAT team used as they stormed the house. Still, they were back home two days later. Luckily, about a week later, they moved out.
Section 8 is normally BAD for a neighborhood speaking from personal experience!!!
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Michael
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01-08-08 04:20 PM - Post#34973
In response to Loopy
Yes.
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Loopy
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01-08-08 04:32 PM - Post#34974
In response to Loopy
Doesn't look as bad as the news article made it out to be. No where on the COA website does it refer to "Section 8 Housing" - only references to HUD money.
In any case, if you didn't know about this, now you do!
Also, the news article did not mention any of the other neighborhoods - only mine. Looks like the idea is to PREVENT the neighborhoods from "going down hill". The City has always been pretty vigilant with their neighborhood inspections.
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Brewer
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01-08-08 05:58 PM - Post#34980
In response to Loopy
Michael, Don't keep talking like that people will tell you "you are angry"... Listen, I grew up poor. My Mother went to bed hungry many nights so I wouldn't have to. My Mother never took a handout from anyone, if she was short on money she went and got another J-O-B. She worked two most of my life. She could have stayed home and pulled in welfare and food-stamps and made as much or more as she did working. That would have cost me a huge lesson in life, work hard and you can have what you want. Many of the folks that receive section eight are second and third generation welfare queens that are working the system and it's a vicious cycle. Dislike what I'm telling you all you want but you will find that to be more the rule than the exception. Brewer
ETA: HUD money can be a good thing as it allows folks with a VESTED INTEREST to buy a house that they might not otherwise be able to afford in an area that they will hopefully be proud to live in.
Edited by Brewer on 01-08-08 06:01 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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tawny
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01-08-08 06:17 PM - Post#34981
In response to Loopy
I think it all depends on the renter. Albeit in Oklahoma, I remember when Tulsa built a Government subsidised apartment complex near my sisters house and everyone was up in arms (honestly, I probably would have been too initially), afraid their property values would tank. It turned out to be unfounded for the most part. All of their property values have gone up every year and with the exception of one family with some 'bad kids', it seems everyone else is is great. My sister said that she has met many of the parents who have kids the same age as hers and has enjoyed getting to know them over the years.
I can certainly understand being apprehensive, but I'd take a wait and see approach. You may end up meeting some great new people :)
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MsAlyce
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01-08-08 08:05 PM - Post#34986
In response to Loopy
I don't know all the details. but if this is what I think it is, and I'll ask Lee Battle tomorrow. This is grant money available to IMPROVE the neighborhoods. The money is used to help with a number of items like buying and living in a home, or home repairs and improvements. I know someone that has use a grant to purchase a house. I think it has dramatically improved at least one neighborhood here on the eastside, between Jupiter and Greenville, south of Bethany to Ridgemont. Now I have to admit I don't know the names of each subdivision but at least I know the boundaries.
As for those "welfare moms" most just need some help to recover from those "deadbeat dads".
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Michael
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01-08-08 08:59 PM - Post#34996
In response to Brewer
I have no problem with HUD. I actually think HUD is a good thing. We have just had bad luck with our section 8 house.
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Michael
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01-08-08 09:07 PM - Post#34999
In response to MsAlyce
That's correct. That link is talking about "Grant" money for community development and buying assistance. If I remember correctly, it will also assist on large repairs (new A/C, new roof, etc.). That link is not about section 8.
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01-08-08 09:09 PM - Post#35001
In response to Loopy
Sco is right. I work at a real estate/property management company in Plano and we get calls all the time in regards to housing that accepts Sec. 8
Most of the people that have called have said that they were displaced by Katrina. In our experience with it, the majority that qualify have been very good tenants. You will have good and bad no matter if they pay it theirself or have help.
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