Allenite
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11-26-08 02:59 PM - Post#71609
In response to carygold
I'm a little slow on my reply since I've been cooking all day....
I distinctly remember Colin Powell's presentation to the U.N. regarding suspected WMD locations in Iraq. Also, we have found & removed components from Iraq that are used in the manufacturing of WMD. These components are now in Canada.
G.W. Bush did not do a good job of communicating to the American people. The first mistake he made was in not asking for a declaration of war from Congress. I know that would have been a reach, but it would have been a smart political move. It would have prevented many of the problems we have had in presenting a unified front to terrorists. Since he didn't ask Congress for this declaration, it's been downhill all the way.
Democrats have always done a good job of understanding and utilizing the media. For years, Dems on Capital Hill have received daily "sound bite" statements to use in speaking to the press. Sound bites make news organizations jobs very easy. On the other hand, Republicans tend to talk a subject to death. They don't talk in sound bites, and they all sound like a bunch of C.E.O.'s trying to explain a budget... boring....
Politicians are just now beginning to understand how to use the television media. Ronald Reagan understood the media. He utilized his television experience, and he ran rough shod over the news organizations. The first time T.V. was understood to be a major factor in Presidential elections was in the Nixon/Kennedy debate. Those listening on the radio believed that Nixon won that debate. On the other hand, those who watched it on T.V. believed that Kennday had won. So, looks & presentation can really make a huge difference to voters' decisions.
All this said to reinforce that Democrats had a real winner with Obama. He is the darling of the media, and just how long this marriage will last, we'll have to wait & see. The media is a very egotistic group of people, and they are easily manipulated by candidates who understand how "important" the media is.
I'm just waiting for the next Republican candidate that will WOW the media... I think 2012 may be a good year for the GOP.
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Jimi Ray Clapton
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11-26-08 03:05 PM - Post#71611
In response to Maurice
If you were only interested in facts, reasoning and logic as you so claim, Obama's own words saying he sought out radicals and Marxist's would raise a flag, so there goes that statement.
Respectfully Maurice - I share many of the same concerns that you have regarding Obama. I am, generally, not an Obama supporter. I have stated that many times in this forum. Even though he got my vote it was begrudgingly and with no illusions. In addition, in this very thread I stated that I believe there was media bias that favored the Obama campaign.
Re-read what I just wrote about 5 times so you don't continue to make the mistake of lumping me together in your mind with those who you claim are wildly taken with Obama's celebrity. Search this forum far and wide and you will not find me sticking up for Obama anywhere. My eyes are wide open. My own mother doesn't even get a pass when it comes to truth, logic, and reason.
However with you, I NEVER see ANY tempering opinion, no balance, just one-sided, party-line, partisan nonsense.
You claim media bias - but only in one direction - the direction that supports your views. I really want to listen to what you have to say but it makes it hard when you're so consistently over-the-top.
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Maurice
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11-26-08 05:23 PM - Post#71615
In response to Jimi Ray Clapton
Over the top? Well, first off, if you'd read other posts I've made you'd know I'm not a one party person. I'm not a Republican nor Democrat, the Repubs like to cater to the evangelicals and the Dems are so far left it's not funny. I don't have a party since I don't fully agree with everything on the Repub side, although I do agree with them FAR more than I do with the Dems so I tend to vote more Republican than Dem and always have. Do I agree with everything the current administration has done? Absoltely not, Bush has dropped the ball on many issues. Same with McCain, he's far from perfect but I'd take him over a guy who has known associations with terrorists, Marxists and radicals along with his other faults.
I don't even have to claim a media bias anymore, libs themselves have been pointing it out because it IS that obvious. Since I've said that for years and this election showed how far left the media is, that's not a tempering position? I'll give a tempering position the day Obama and his administration proves me wrong about him. I HOPE I am wrong and my opinion is CHANGED by him but I am sadly confident, he will prove my opinion of him right.
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SB
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11-26-08 06:01 PM - Post#71617
In response to Maurice
guy who has known associations with terrorists, Marxists and radicals
Clearly you're being influenced by the crackpot far-right media. I assume you're referring to Ayers as the terrorist. You do know that there was no substantive association don't you? Associations were generally simultaneous memberships on boards that concerned themselves with education and poverty - not terrorist activities. Ayers so-called "terrorist" activities were many decades in the past. I'm sure that when he handed out his business card to contemporary associates it didn't read "former Weatherman"
From Obama:
This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis. And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was eight years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense,
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asmile4u
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11-26-08 07:41 PM - Post#71622
In response to SB
In the spirit of Thanksgiving, I'll give you a temporary pass.
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SB
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11-26-08 08:50 PM - Post#71629
In response to asmile4u
Give me a pass?? For what? Rationality?
What is your take on GW Bush's heavy drinking and cocaine use, and his dereliction of duty in the National Guard?
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carygold
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11-27-08 10:22 AM - Post#71637
In response to SB
guy who has known associations with terrorists, Marxists and radicals
Clearly you're being influenced by the crackpot far-right media. I assume you're referring to Ayers as the terrorist. You do know that there was no substantive association don't you? Associations were generally simultaneous memberships on boards that concerned themselves with education and poverty - not terrorist activities. Ayers so-called "terrorist" activities were many decades in the past. I'm sure that when he handed out his business card to contemporary associates it didn't read "former Weatherman"
From Obama:
This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis. And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was eight years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense,
Ayers was as much a part of the Chicago political scene as Mayor Daly. To be a good politician you have to know how to deal with political people.
The truth is if John McCain was from Chicago he would have the same types of relationships with Ayers. The story is a distortion to make Obama look radical, except only those on the right bought in to the slanderous rhetoric.
Obama beat Hillary Clinton...who else could have done that? Obama is a smart politician he had to deal with Ayers in Chicago, Ayers had political clout in Chicago.
Has the fog of war not lifted yet? Some where you have to see this in not just 65 million walking Obama zombies. Sometime you have see Obama beat McCain, and how sad is that if you keep believing this all some kind bad dream you will wakeup from some day. Lets move on.
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asmile4u
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11-27-08 11:26 AM - Post#71638
In response to SB
Give me a pass?? For what? Rationality?
What is your take on GW Bush's heavy drinking and cocaine use, and his dereliction of duty in the National Guard?
Take a chill pill and have a Happy Thanksgiving.
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Maurice
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11-27-08 01:07 PM - Post#71639
In response to SB
Ahh, yes the vast right wing conspiracy of Hilary fame. Umm, no. I was actually influenced by learning about Obama, from his own words and associations. Since you seem to need to get to know the guy a bit more, here's a little snippet to help you out, spoken in his own words.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDTluWDUBEY
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Maurice
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11-27-08 01:08 PM - Post#71640
In response to SB
Give me a pass?? For what? Rationality?
What is your take on GW Bush's heavy drinking and cocaine use, and his dereliction of duty in the National Guard?
What about Obama's own drug past and his lack of any duty in the armed forces? Oh, that's right, it doesn't matter with the Enlightened One. lol
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SB
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11-27-08 01:37 PM - Post#71642
In response to Maurice
Sorry, you can't desert what you didn't join. There are many honorable ways to serve community and country other than military service. Truthfullness and openness about one's past will be seen by most as more honorable than concealment and denial.
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Maurice
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11-27-08 07:52 PM - Post#71646
In response to SB
Bush deserted eh? Hmm, who told you this, Dan Rather? lol Yes, there are honorable ways to serve your country other than through military service but Obama hasn't done any of those things for one. As for truthfulness and openness about ones past and associations, Obama once again fails the test as all he's done has concealed and denied. Ayers was more than "some guy around the neighborhood" and Revered Wright et al show his true character.
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SB
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11-27-08 08:30 PM - Post#71649
In response to Maurice
My purpose in noting the accusations about Bush was to illustrate that those who claim to be so impartial while slamming him actually have a clear bias. You dismiss the likely events of Bush's past while embracing the more subjective and untenable events of Obama's past. None of the mentioned events reflected on either man's ability to govern and lead. Your different attitude toward each demonstrates your inability to be objective and render a a critical opinion that isn't so biased as to be worthless.
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KOKJ
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11-27-08 09:18 PM - Post#71651
In response to Maurice
As for truthfulness and openness about ones past and associations, Obama once again fails the test as all he's done has concealed and denied. Ayers was more than "some guy around the neighborhood" and Revered Wright et al show his true character.
You are completely right. It's so shocking to me that so many people voted for someone who's been preached to for the last 20 years about white hatred. Ayers is definitely more than just "some guy around the neighborhood." I guess America doesn't care.
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carygold
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11-28-08 02:36 AM - Post#71657
In response to KOKJ
As for truthfulness and openness about ones past and associations, Obama once again fails the test as all he's done has concealed and denied. Ayers was more than "some guy around the neighborhood" and Revered Wright et al show his true character.
You are completely right. It's so shocking to me that so many people voted for someone who's been preached to for the last 20 years about white hatred. Ayers is definitely more than just "some guy around the neighborhood." I guess America doesn't care.
Ok one more time for the newbie...What do really know about Ayers and Obama...NOTHING.
Ayers was as much a part of the Chicago political scene as Mayor Daly. He was a Chicago "citizen of the Year." To be a good politician you have to know how to deal with political people.
The truth is if John McCain was from Chicago he would have the same types of relationships with Ayers. The story is a distortion to make Obama look radical, except for those on the right, no one else, bought in to the slanderous rhetoric.
Obama beat Hillary Clinton...who else could have done that? Obama is a smart politician he had to deal with Ayers in Chicago, Ayers had political clout in Chicago.
Sometime you will have see Obama beat McCain and he did it without accusations or guilt by association. Just keep believing this all some kind bad dream you will wakeup from some day.
Lets move on.
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Al C
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11-28-08 11:04 AM - Post#71666
In response to carygold
Sometime you will have see Obama beat McCain and he did it without accusations or guilt by association.
Huh?! "Failed policies of the past eight years." "Four more years of Bush."
No guilt by association?
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George
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11-28-08 11:59 AM - Post#71670
In response to Al C
Chris Matthews in Talks for Senate Run
Chris Matthews, MSNBC's cantankerous host of Hardball, is reportedly speaking to party officials in Pennsylvania about a possible run for Senate. Not surprisingly, were Matthews to run, he would do so as a Democrat...Matthews has been thought to be eying a run for months although he has consistently denied it in public. This report is the first confirmation that he is at least preparing the ground for the possibility of taking on the five-term incumbent....
A Senate campaign would be Matthews' second foray into elective politics. After serving on the staffs of four Democratic members of Congress, Matthews ran unsuccessfully for a seat in the House of Representatives in 1974, losing in the Democratic primary. He remained in Washington, becoming a speechwriter for President Carter for four years, and later serving as an aide to the notoriously partisan House Speaker Tip O'Neill (D-MA) during the Reagan Administration.
On his television show, Matthews likes to portray the image of a middle-of-the-road political commentator, but his career in politics shows that he is anything but that....
His political bias got the best of him during this year's presidential campaign, when he was widely viewed as heavily favoring Barack Obama. Matthews famously commented that he, "felt a thrill going up his leg," when he listened to Obama speak. That remark brought chuckles even fellow members of the media, and cost him whatever reputation for impartiality he maintained among conservatives and Republicans.
(See link for full story)
Edited by George on 11-28-08 12:00 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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asmile4u
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11-28-08 04:28 PM - Post#71683
In response to Al C
Sometime you will have see Obama beat McCain and he did it without accusations or guilt by association.
Huh?! "Failed policies of the past eight years." "Four more years of Bush."
No guilt by association?
Al, don't you know by now, once annointed, forever annointed?
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