Stacy Wilson
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Reged: 09/24/04
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Did anyone else notice that the "Market Street Allen" portion of the development sign on Bethany and 75 was marked out? I guess the deal with the grocery store fell through. I know they were looking to put a Market Street or a Whole Foods/Central Market type store there. Does anyone have anymore information, like when they are breaking ground? It still says opening spring 2006, they better get started with at least the infrastructure if they want to make that goal.
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allensince1979
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Reged: 06/18/01
Loc: allen, Tx. usa
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I was in Market Street up in McKinney last week and asked about the one here. I was told they were not buiding one in Allen the sign is for a Market Street shopping center, but again there will not be one in Allen. McKinney has a lot of beautiful new shopping centers going in all over.
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SB
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Reged: 09/07/03
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Right - the "Market Street" in this development plan is a trademark name used by the development company (which is, interestingly, Trademark). There are, however, plans for a grocery in this development. You can see more information at the developer's web site.
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SAHM2three
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Reged: 03/15/04
Loc: Allen, TX
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Don't know if anyone noticed on the developer's site if you look at the site plan and enlarge it enough to be able to read it. This is a really neat site planned if it come sto fruition!! There is a Border's listed on the sign I believe but on this site plan there is also a PF Chang's and a La Madeleine's!!! WooHoo!!! I can't believe I am so excited about some silly restaurants coming!!
http://www.marketstreet-allen.com/MS-Allen-SP.pdf
Hopefully this link will work.
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allensince1979
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Reged: 06/18/01
Loc: allen, Tx. usa
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I just hope this shopping center will materialize. I hear from time to time that something is going to be built here in Allen and then it never seems to happen. It would just be nice to have something beside dollar stores here. All of that new shopping in McKinney off of ElDorado is really nice it's just a pain to get to being along the service road.
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Maurice
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Reged: 12/03/01
Loc: Allen, TX
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Why is it that no good stores come to Allen? They all seem to bypass Allen and have either gone to Plano or are going to McKinney? Is the town not trying to bring businesses in?
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denisew
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Reged: 02/18/02
Loc: Allen, TX
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As much as I hate to see that part of Allen developed - I love seeing all the trees along that area and my favorite has always been that cluster of large pecan trees in the center of the field - I would like to see a store like Whole Foods come to Allen. I just hope they don't go in and bulldoze down all the trees. I think there should be some sort of compromise between builders and nature and nature always seems to lose.
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allensince1979
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Reged: 06/18/01
Loc: allen, Tx. usa
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I think Allen just isn't large enough to support the business' we would like to see here. Plano is a big city and McKinney is also really growing. If you go out around Stonebridge Ranch it is huge. They have grown so well that they have the population to support these businesses. It seems the more McKinney and Frisco grow the more people want to live where the nice shopping centers and restaurants are so Allen may never be big enough to attract anything except for dollar stores.
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sco
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Reged: 10/26/02
Loc: allen,TX USA
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Allen may never be big enough to attract anything except for dollar stores
I don't think that is true at all. We already have quite a bit of nice retail establishments and restaurants. It is true that we suffer from being a smaller city surrounded by much larger cities. On the other hand, there are many problems associated with growing at the rate of Frisco and McKinney that I personally wouldn't want to deal with. Retail establishments are slowly coming to Allen. There are really only a few things I would really like to see in Allen that aren't already here.
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allensince1979
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Reged: 06/18/01
Loc: allen, Tx. usa
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we probably all would like to see different things here in Allen. I don't care if Allen is ever big and busy enough as Frisco but it would be nice to see maybe an old navy, pier one, a book store. Something like that nice shopping center that they just built up in McKinney off of Eldorado. Other than Target off hand I can't think of another nice retail establishment here.
Edited by allensince1979 (02/03/05 08:34 PM)
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Pollyanna
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Reged: 08/16/04
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The Allen Outlet Mall is a great place to shop if you haven't tried it.
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Maurice
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Reged: 12/03/01
Loc: Allen, TX
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Would be nice to see some new businesses, does nothing but increase property value as well as add a local store to do business with. Won't have to go give money to a business in another town.
Would also be nice to see new businesses in town other than dry cleaners and donut shops that are never open.
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allensince1979
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Reged: 06/18/01
Loc: allen, Tx. usa
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The Outlet mall is ok, most of the stores there are to expensive.
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cchavez
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Reged: 07/30/00
Loc: allen, TX 75013
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I recently read in Forbes Mag. that Whole Foods it opening up tons of new stores in the next year. I tried emailing WF awhile back but the email was incorrect. I would love a WF near us. I agree we need better stores and restaurants.
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cajunqueen
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Reged: 10/10/04
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Whoever is running Allen is doing a poor job in my opinion. A lot of restaurants etc..have closed due to poor planning. I think future retailers are scared to come to Allen. Look at everything that has closed. Dont get me wrong I LOVE allen the small friendly feel and dont mind the drive to Frisco etc....but i like everyone else would LOVE to have a Whole Foods etc..close by
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Maurice
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Reged: 12/03/01
Loc: Allen, TX
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I agree, Allen doesn't seem to be the best at bringing in new businesses (unless of course you want to open a dry cleaners or donut shop lol) and it appears, looking at McKinney, that they've let opportunities go by.
I too like the small town feel but that doesn't mean we can't have good businesses without having to leave town. When we moved here 3 years ago it felt like there was a ton of promise in the town, a great amount of building up could take place but it looks like it's hit its peak. We still see businesses over on the east side that are vacant with no moves to bring anyone else in while towns like McKinney aren't sitting back and are building up rapidly with big businesses like Plano has. A whole foods place may be nice but what about other businesses, book stores, electronics stores, clothing stores etc? It's more like Allen's getting left behind rather than keeping up.
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MsAlyce
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Reged: 04/03/04
Loc: Allen,Texas,USA
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I think you should really look at McKinney, THE EASTSIDE! they are not doing much there. New construction, is all they seem to care about. Allen lost a major when K-Mart closed but they went out and got Stacy's here. Yes the old WD is still empty, but there are rumors that someone is looking at part of the building.
No, we don't have some of those "upper end" stores but then again we don't have huge BOX stores moving in and then moving a half a mile away leaving large empty spaces. (like Plano)
I think the controlled growth in town is pretty good. We all have some favorite place we'd like to see move in (Half Price Books) but we also need to support the businesses that are here so we don't get the reputation of a town that can not support its own businesses. It will also keep our sales tax dollars in our own community.
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allensince1979
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Reged: 06/18/01
Loc: allen, Tx. usa
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I like Allen too, if we didn't we would pack up and move. Sure the old part of McKinney is not as nice as the west side. We hear the same thing about Allen. McKinney is just an example of a small city that is really adding some nice quality shopping centers. The new shopping center off of ElDorado is beautiful and has a nice selection of stores. If you drive down ElDorado Parkway towards Custer there are several new shopping centers and they look like they were built with quality not just pre-fab walls thrown up to look like a warehouse. I would be more that happy to support stores in Allen if there were more that just big lots, dollar stores and auto parts stores. I think most of us agree we love this town we would just like to see some quality shopping here so we wouldn't have to go to McKinney, Frisco or Plano to spend our money.
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denisew
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Reged: 02/18/02
Loc: Allen, TX
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Since some of you mentioned contacting Whole Foods, here is the link to their contact page. I already sent them a message about considering Allen for a new location. If those of us who would like to see one here, you can do the same. Whole Foods
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Maurice
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Reged: 12/03/01
Loc: Allen, TX
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Yes, the east side of McKinney is doing building and not much in the way of big stores but their west side puts our west side to shame already and it's just picking up steam. Not sure what it is about the town, maybe they don't want to give tax breaks or other incentives to bring in big businesses but they are definitely letting opportunities go by.
WD has been rumored to be getting businesses in there and probably will be for years to come as nothing seems to come about there but rumors. As it is now my wife and I do most of our major shopping in Plano, McKinney and Frisco when we're at the mom in law's, groceries and odds and ends we get in town since there are plenty of opportunities for that here. Electronics, software, clothing, furniture etc we buy elsewhere since there's no really good options in Allen. I'd prefer to have my business tax dollars spent here but I can't support businesses that aren't here.
I'd also like to see a half price book store here, would save me the trips to Plano, Frisco and even Dallas.
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allensince1979
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Reged: 06/18/01
Loc: allen, Tx. usa
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The W/D spot will probably always be left empty because that shopping center is a dump. Look at what they're building in McKinney. Has anyone seen the new shopping center off of 75 and ElDorado, where the new World Market and Pier One are, it's beautiful. If you go down Eldorado toward Custer the street is lined with new restaurants and shopping centers. Quality stores want to be in a quality shopping center what kind of business would want to be in that old Winn Dixie store, maybe Big Lots will expand? If the shopping center could be re-modeled that would help. Could it be that maybe Allen needs some better planning. The new library is going to be great but I thought we already had a really nice library, I remember not that many years ago when it was built. I too would like to spend my money in Allen rather than go to Frisco or McKinney but I can't buy everything at the dollar store or even Target.
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SB
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Reged: 09/07/03
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When comparing Allen to McKinney and comparing economic development keep in mind that McKinney is 50% larger now, is one of the fastest growing cities in the country and within 10 years will have over 300,000 residents and be the largest city in the county. Allen has some very nice commercial developments on the horizon.
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Maurice
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Reged: 12/03/01
Loc: Allen, TX
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McKinney is growing because they have better planning, they reach out and attract businesses where Allen doesn't. In 10 years they will be where Allen should be, there's no reason Allen can't get on the ball and draw businesses in. Bringing in businesses will be good for everyone, not just ease of use and business tax benefits but property values will increase. It's a shame no one making business decisions in Allen knows this.
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SB
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Reged: 09/07/03
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With all due respect, McKinney will grow so much because they have the land. Allen has 26 sq. miles and is bordered on all sides by other communities. McKinney has 59 sq. miles of land. McKinney is an attractive location for business because it already has more people than Allen will ever have.
The City of Allen doesn't make decisions for private business. So, if some entity is to be pointed to as short sighted, look at the businessmen who choose not to come here (YET) and offer their services and wares.
I might also point out that McKinney is experiencing problems with the rate of development. Public projects are behind schedule or defered. Friso is also experiencing problems with the rapid growth outpacing the ability of government to supply adequate roads and other infrastructure. I prefer slow, steady, quality development. It's happening now with several announced developments in Allen. It's inevitable that with a future population of 95,000 businesses will choose to locate in Allen.
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allensince1979
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Reged: 06/18/01
Loc: allen, Tx. usa
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I agree part of our problem here is that we are a small town sandwiched between much larger Plano and McKinney. We will never be big enough to have the shopping that surrounding towns have, that's fine. It would just be nice if we had a few nice places to shop here. I disagree as far as roads, other than hwy. 121 Frisco had the roads in before they did most of their building. Allen has not done any better planning the roads here, I'm still wondering when they will make Exchange more that just black top between Alma and Watters Rd.
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Michael
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Reged: 05/20/02
Loc: Allen
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Other than hwy 121...Hwy 121 is the biggest debacle I have ever seen! I will go miles out of my way just to avoid hwy 121. When I am going from Allen to Lewisville, I go George Bush Turnpike to I35E. It�s several miles out of the way but much much faster! Frisco really screwed up with 121. Now it looks like the only way to correct the problem is to turn it over to the NTTA folks and let them build a toll way (and make you paid anytime you leave and try to go somewhere).
Even after you get off of 121 in Frisco, it still a nightmare getting around.
I am so glad that Allen has planned the roads a lot better. Sure there are a few roads I would have done different but I have that opinion about most cities I travel through.
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MsAlyce
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Reged: 04/03/04
Loc: Allen,Texas,USA
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Many of my friends in Frisco will disagree that Frisco had the roads in place to handle the traffic they have. They still don't.Allen is land locked, that does make a difference in convincing businesses to move here.
David, did a good job with our Economic Developement corporation, and he is doing a GREAT job in McKinney.
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Maurice
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Reged: 12/03/01
Loc: Allen, TX
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So the town management doesn't have any say in what businesses come here? That's odd, I thought all towns worked in attracting businesses to their locations. I know up north the towns always fought over getting businesses to come to their towns for all the benefits they bring.
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sco
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Reged: 10/26/02
Loc: allen,TX USA
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Cities have some influence in attracting business. They have control over zoning laws and they can offer tax incentives. They can work to make their city attractive to businesses. However, as previously stated, they cannot make decisions for private businesses. Unless the city owns the Winn-Dixie shopping center(something I seriously doubt) they can't go in and remodel it. As long as businesses meet zoning requirements the city cannot tell a business where they should locate. Plano, Frisco, and McKinney have more business than Allen because they are significantly larger. The Allen Ecenomic Develpment Corporation is working to attract business to Allen. The businesses are slowly coming. We will never be another McKinney or Frisco and I personally wouldn't want to be.
On the topic of the new library. I seriously doubt that the people who keep claiming that the old library was fine have really tried to use it. Any time the library held a program there was no place to park. I have also been to numerous children's functions where they had to turn children away because they simply didn't have enough space.
Susan
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allensince1979
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Reged: 06/18/01
Loc: allen, Tx. usa
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Maybe Allen needs some stricter zoning and planning ordinances, I don't know how ours compare to other cities, just that we have a lot of run down shopping centers here. I do use the library and so do my 2 high school kid's. I don't have small ones anymore so I don't know about the kids programs. I will agree it is hard to find a parking spot right in front of the library, I think we're all spoiled and used to parking our cars at the door so we don't have to walk. There is always plenty of parking at city hall and it's just a short walk over to the library. The new library does look nice and maybe it will bring more building to that area.
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