MissingChico
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08-24-11 07:11 PM - Post#137495
In response to mgrayar
Sounds like the police were well within their bounds, even if it was on the harsher end of those bounds. However, it seems you might have had a great case of negligence against Kroger. From what you wrote, it seems like they were the real problem here.
They could have unloaded their clips into her and found a way to justify it too, but they managed to weigh that out of the equation. Sound judgement is tool #1 for anyone behind the badge. A kid with no record tripped up by police who created the crime scenario seems like bad judgement to me, unless of course they use it as a learning experience that does not require an arrest record. My opinion would be entirely different if she was caught knowingly selling to a minor.
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mgrayar
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08-24-11 08:04 PM - Post#137498
In response to MissingChico
Chico, I'm not saying I think they did the right thing. I'm just saying they didn't break any policies, but Kroger should have been held accountable for putting the young girl in that position.
Make sense?
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lostyankee
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08-25-11 08:09 AM - Post#137507
In response to MissingChico
She screwed up, bad management led to it and they should bear a good portion of the punishment...
Sheesh....
APD does a great job. No PD is perfect. I'm glad they're here
Edited by lostyankee on 08-25-11 08:15 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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rw
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08-25-11 08:13 AM - Post#137508
In response to PartyOfEight
Was waiting for this to be rehashed...
http://www.allenonline.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?...
Edited by rw on 08-25-11 08:15 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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civicminded
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08-25-11 08:20 AM - Post#137512
In response to rw
Hash?  Anyway, we don't know what the OP was about, just that it started a question. And folks have their opinions and their different experiences. Some are good and some not, and that's reality. Being one that serves from the inside of a city and also receives service, it varies. Officers are different, organization cultures are different, managers too, and then we factor in the variety of humans they encounter...it's pot luck. There, I'm back to food again.
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mgrayar
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08-25-11 09:09 AM - Post#137516
In response to civicminded
It is rather interesting that the OP would post this question, offer no opinion of his/her own, and then abandon the thread.
Hmm...
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richardb
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08-25-11 10:49 AM - Post#137520
In response to lostyankee
She screwed up, bad management led to it and they should bear a good portion of the punishment...
Sheesh....
APD does a great job. No PD is perfect. I'm glad they're here
We had a son who worked at the Albertsons on McDermott. One night he was working the register in the section that had movie rentals, cigarettes, etc. He sold a pack of cigarettes to a guy without asking for I.D. and was busted. He didn't go to jail, but received a rather expensive ticket for selling tobacco to a minor. He owned up to his mistake, rather than blaming someone else, went to court and paid his fine. Albertsons placed him on a 90 day probation for violation of company policy. He had been properly trained and messed up. He didn't blame the police for 'entrapment' or Alberstons for putting him in that position. It's called being responsible for one's actions and he learned a valuable lesson.
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MissingChico
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08-25-11 11:56 AM - Post#137521
In response to lostyankee
She screwed up, bad management led to it and they should bear a good portion of the punishment...
Sheesh....
APD does a great job. No PD is perfect. I'm glad they're here
I don't believe anyone argues the fact she screwed up, but as we can all see from other posts, Allen PD has many options when handling these situations and if their good judgement is clouded by the desire for future grants, then we all suffer. I believe that was the original point.
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lostyankee
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08-25-11 11:59 AM - Post#137522
In response to MissingChico
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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civicminded
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08-25-11 12:11 PM - Post#137523
In response to mgrayar
It is rather interesting that the OP would post this question, offer no opinion of his/her own, and then abandon the thread.
Hmm...
Like a movie line from Contact, "yes that was interesting".
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richardb
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08-25-11 12:27 PM - Post#137524
In response to MissingChico
She screwed up, bad management led to it and they should bear a good portion of the punishment...
Sheesh....
APD does a great job. No PD is perfect. I'm glad they're here
I don't believe anyone argues the fact she screwed up, but as we can all see from other posts, Allen PD has many options when handling these situations and if their good judgement is clouded by the desire for future grants, then we all suffer. I believe that was the original point.
I'm sure there's someone out there who will know for sure, but the penalty for selling a minor alcohol may automatically warrant being arrested and selling a minor tobacco may just be a citation. That may not be a grey area for being a judgement call one way or the other.
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vm7mm
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08-25-11 12:55 PM - Post#137526
In response to richardb
You know, I think APD should maybe not be so harsh on everyone. It seems as if someone gets in just a little bit of trouble, they try and prosecute them to the fullest. They could try and be a little nicer and possibly give people a break once in a while rather than destroying peoples lives with prosecution.
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richardb
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08-25-11 01:13 PM - Post#137529
In response to vm7mm
You know, I think APD should maybe not be so harsh on everyone. It seems as if someone gets in just a little bit of trouble, they try and prosecute them to the fullest. They could try and be a little nicer and possibly give people a break once in a while rather than destroying peoples lives with prosecution.
I've seen them give people breaks many times, twice where an arrest was warranted, but other arrangements were made involving a family member. And there are probably very few people ever arrested who actually thought they should have been.
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vm7mm
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08-25-11 03:05 PM - Post#137540
In response to richardb
Domestic disputes are different, they don't usually get involved unless someone was physically assaulted and there is proof of that.
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ksa1
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08-26-11 01:06 PM - Post#137607
In response to vm7mm
Some of us have bad experiences with APD and some have good ones, but it seems that some of you don't want the truth about the police department to come out ,come on your going to tell me that our police department is perfect, I've been in this town for 15 years and I know for a fact that our officers are racist and etc,etc,etc.......I can keep going. Let the truth be exposed!!!
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Maurice
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08-26-11 01:13 PM - Post#137610
In response to ksa1
If you know this supposed racism is "fact" as you call it, why hasn't there been charges pressed or an investigation initiated by now? No one believes every PD is perfect, it's staffed by people and anything staffed by people is prone to imperfection. APD is leagues above many PD's out there, that doesn't mean there can't be issues from time to time due to individuals actions as there can be with any organization.
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mgrayar
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08-26-11 02:49 PM - Post#137618
In response to ksa1
Some of us have bad experiences with APD and some have good ones, but it seems that some of you don't want the truth about the police department to come out ,come on your going to tell me that our police department is perfect, I've been in this town for 15 years and I know for a fact that our officers are racist and etc,etc,etc.......I can keep going. Let the truth be exposed!!!
I do not recall anyone saying they are perfect. It is very easy to post on a public forum with an anonymous handle and call an entire department racist. I hope that you are using your "facts" to effect change.
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08-26-11 03:22 PM - Post#137628
In response to Maurice
If you know this supposed racism is "fact" as you call it, why hasn't there been charges pressed or an investigation initiated by now? No one believes every PD is perfect, it's staffed by people and anything staffed by people is prone to imperfection. APD is leagues above many PD's out there, that doesn't mean there can't be issues from time to time due to individuals actions as there can be with any organization.
Well said. 
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MissingChico
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08-26-11 03:31 PM - Post#137630
In response to Jimi Ray Clapton
There's also a culture within every PD. It's usually a culture that starts from management and trickles down. For instance, what town near here had a chief who refused to hire (in his words) Gooks. Based on things I've seen, I'd make every effort to avoid employees of our PD unless I absolutely needed them. They're probably used to that anyway, cops tend to keep a tight circle of fellow cop friends.
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08-26-11 05:38 PM - Post#137642
In response to MissingChico
Nice to know where your " i missed chinko" tude is chicO. I value protection and hope the APD is front and center when needed. Pull the cover off anything, you may be surprised.
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