rw
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12-05-11 02:14 PM - Post#143027
A new WalMart at the corner of Bethany and 2551...
glad I did not buy in Parker Lake Estates...
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/c oll...
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starrlac
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12-05-11 02:26 PM - Post#143028
In response to rw
I can't read the whole article because I'm not a subscriber, but this came up several years ago. Before the Super Target was built in Allen, there was talk of a Super Target or Walmart at the intersection of Bethany/2551.
Edited by starrlac on 12-05-11 02:26 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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civicminded
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12-05-11 02:54 PM - Post#143029
In response to rw
Which corner?
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rw
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12-05-11 03:08 PM - Post#143031
In response to civicminded
NE. Across from CVS.
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roukie
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12-05-11 03:43 PM - Post#143033
In response to rw
Here is the entire article...
try this link
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/c oll...
Country living slipping away as suburbs, Wal-Mart come to Lucas
G.J. McCarthy/Staff Photographer The Lucas city limit sign stands not far from an empty field that will soon hold a Wal-Mart along FM2551 north of Bethany Drive-Lucas Road. AText Size By MICHAEL E. YOUNG
Staff Writer
[email protected]
Published: 04 December 2011 11:07 PM
RelatedThe past and future of Collin County meet at the intersection of Bethany Drive-Lucas Road and FM2551.
On the west sits Allen and its neat red-brick neighborhoods, thousands of homes with manicured lawns and holiday decorations and six lanes of traffic running through it. To the southeast, it’s Parker and the Parker Lakes development — big homes on big lots and no citified sidewalks in a country-suburban setting.
And just to the north, across West Lucas Road, open fields of dark earth stretch north along FM2551, a landscape unchanged for decades at the western edge of Lucas.
But like much of the Dallas area, where growth mushrooms out from the cities and suburbs, change is on the way. In a matter of months, this little corner of Collin County will look a whole lot different. A new Wal-Mart is coming to Lucas, 180,000 square feet of groceries and merchandise that will attract people and money and traffic and, almost inevitably, more commercial development.
For the city, that means jobs and, most important, tax revenue — good things in a place that saw its population increase by almost 80 percent from 2000 to 2010 as the first bits of suburbanization pushed the population to 5,166. That lifted the population density of this still largely rural area to more than 400 people per square mile.
That pales in comparison with Allen’s 84,000 people — more than 3,200 per square mile — and even smaller Parker’s density of almost 700 per square mile.
But some already lament the loss of the dark nighttime skies and open spaces.
“I’m only a seven-year veteran of this area,” said Chris King, who lives across West Lucas Road from the Wal-Mart site, “but I can only imagine what people think who have lived here all their lives.”
His family moved to Parker Lake Estates in Parker so the kids could play in the yard without fear of crime or traffic. King expects all that to change.
“Once this is built, if I go up to the second floor of my home and sit on my daughter’s bed, there’s no way I won’t see it,” King said.
Lisa Swan, who serves on the board of the Parker Lake Estates homeowners association, said people thought the Wal-Mart project had been put on hold because there were no sewage lines in that part of Lucas. And the roads haven’t changed in the 18 years she’s lived in the area.
“It’s still the original farm-to-market road. They haven’t widened it at all,” she said. “And even though the Wal-Mart would face south, they say the main entrances will be on the west, on the Angel Parkway [FM2551] side. So there are no plans to widen Bethany Drive or Lucas Road or 2551 going south. That will be a real problem.”
The Texas Department of Transportation does have plans to widen this portion of FM2551 someday but no money to actually do the work, said Barry Heard, TxDOT’s engineer for Collin County.
“There is no funding for any project in that area,” Heard said, adding that he was surprised to learn of the project.
“We were at a town meeting in Lucas not too long ago and the subject was roads, and nothing was ever said about a Wal-Mart,” he said.
But questions about the roads and other issues don’t seem likely to slow the project down.
Wal-Mart officials, in a written statement, said the company “sees an opportunity to serve our customers in a county that is seeing tremendous growth.”
The store will include all the usual Wal-Mart features — general merchandise, groceries and a pharmacy — in a building designed with “energy efficient technology and environmentally friendly features to reduce energy and water consumption and minimize waste.”
Wal-Mart hopes to begin construction in early to mid-2012, opening for business in 2013.
And Stacy Caudell, public works director in Lucas, said there’s nothing to slow Wal-Mart down.
“They could start construction pretty much any time, I believe,” he said.
As part of Wal-Mart’s agreement with the city, the company will add turning lanes into the property, Caudell said, and will work with nearby Allen on road improvements leading to the shopping center.
None of that is likely to satisfy neighbors across the road in Parker, though.
“I’d say most people here are opposed, although there’s probably a handful that are not unhappy because they wanted a grocery store close by,” Swan said. “But I don’t think anyone wanted one that close and they definitely don’t want the traffic in the neighborhood.
“And the houses that back up to Lucas Road, you can look right into them at night. And Parker has an ordinance against having solid fencing,” she said, “so we’ll have to see if we can get an exception.”
Then there are a few like King, who is already considering moving when the Wal-Mart comes.
“If everyone says, ‘So what?’ and goes on, that’s all right,” King said. “But I think most people don’t know what’s going on. They should at least let people know what’s happening so they can decide what to do.”
He’s already looking at other areas.
“Would I move? Absolutely,” King said. “I couldn’t be more serious about it.”
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EnjoyingLife
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12-05-11 05:58 PM - Post#143035
In response to roukie
It's needed. Other than the Walgreens on the NW corner, there's residential and NOTHING else. No gas stations, nothing and man that Krogers at Bethany and Allen Heights is a beating! Bring it on Walmart!
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SB
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12-05-11 06:57 PM - Post#143036
In response to EnjoyingLife
A Walmart?! Would you want a ginormous Walmart across the street from you? Wish there was a unique zoning for these superstores so they would locate where they would be less of an aesthetic detriment to the surrounding area. These big box stores really need a more extensive graduated buffer from residential to retail than say, a corner plaza does.
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civicminded
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12-05-11 07:37 PM - Post#143037
In response to roukie
While it will please some and upset others, such progress moves on. What is more interesting to me is how people move to growing areas and think it won't grow anymore. Hmmm, at least if it's a super Wally, they'll have a Mickey D's in there. One more place to get senior coffee!   
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RRRquilter
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12-05-11 08:32 PM - Post#143039
In response to SB
Welcome to life run by the almighty dollar.
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gma3
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12-06-11 03:32 AM - Post#143040
In response to civicminded
Or more than likely a Subway like the one in Allen. I got very sick eating some food from the one in the Allen Walmart, so beware....
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TC2112
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12-06-11 10:45 AM - Post#143043
In response to SB
I'm fairly certain the city of Lucas has the right to allow a Wal-Mart with the city limits of Lucas. If people live in Parker or Allen, across the street from Lucas, then they took that risk when they chose to purchase a home there.
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Arcturus
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12-06-11 11:40 AM - Post#143044
In response to TC2112
This is why I wouldn't buy new tract housing with fields around them. Sure it is nice to not have a lot around you, but unfortunately unless you are really far away, this sort of stuff will find you.
My parents made this mistake when I was a kid. Bought in a small development surrounded by corn fields. Next thing you know there is a highway running behind the house and a huge warehouse park with trucks day and night.
Edited by Arcturus on 12-06-11 11:41 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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mspam3
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12-06-11 05:22 PM - Post#143059
In response to Arcturus
Same here. We moved here 20 years ago to have a more "country feel" yet close to a big city. Everyone else had the same idea. We built near an elementary school so there were alot of business types that couldn't be built too close by.
I think we are kind of saturated with Wal-Marts around here. The one on Spring Creek, our new one on 75, the Neighborhood Market, and now another is coming.
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civicminded
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12-06-11 05:59 PM - Post#143060
In response to gma3
Oops, I didn't know the Allen one was different. Me sorry. Well maybe they'll do something kinda country with the image? After all, the one in Arlington (by those stadium sites) is adorned with sports thingies around the top. 
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AllenConsumer
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12-06-11 08:55 PM - Post#143065
In response to civicminded
I'm so happy when the rich folks get the Walmart. Enjoy that second bedroom view to the big and nice store.
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mgrayar
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12-06-11 09:34 PM - Post#143067
In response to AllenConsumer
Just wondering, what did you think would happen with that land eventually?
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MikeC
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12-07-11 03:23 AM - Post#143070
In response to civicminded
... What is more interesting to me is how people move to growing areas and think it won't grow anymore. ...
Hmm, like the NIMBY folks on the west side of town. Buying a house next to an open field and expecting it to stay that way. Then complaining about the potential noise when they live less than a mile from 75.
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mgrayar
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12-08-11 11:35 AM - Post#143124
In response to MikeC
... What is more interesting to me is how people move to growing areas and think it won't grow anymore. ...
Hmm, like the NIMBY folks on the west side of town. Buying a house next to an open field and expecting it to stay that way. Then complaining about the potential noise when they live less than a mile from 75.
What does this refer to? Plenty of proximity battles happening on both sides of 75.
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lcr2004
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12-09-11 12:14 AM - Post#143171
In response to mgrayar
(to any or all of you but no one in particular)
If you don't want development near your house, move to a developed area or stay outside a major MSA. That Walmart has been rumored for at least 8 years now.
Oh, and I'm sorry that your 2nd floor view of Walgreens will now by blocked by a Walmart. That's awful.
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12-09-11 02:23 AM - Post#143182
In response to lcr2004
(to any or all of you but no one in particular)
If you don't want development near your house, move to a developed area or stay outside a major MSA. That Walmart has been rumored for at least 8 years now.
Oh, and I'm sorry that your 2nd floor view of Walgreens will now by blocked by a Walmart. That's awful.
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readingu
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12-09-11 06:53 PM - Post#143255
In response to Webmaster
Hey LCR
I thought the same when reading the article, but I can't say anything because Al C told me to go away in previous threads that have opinions. Just laying low and LOLing.
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Al C
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12-09-11 08:01 PM - Post#143257
In response to readingu
Hey LCR
I thought the same when reading the article, but I can't say anything because Al C told me to go away in previous threads that have opinions. Just laying low and LOLing.
Web, will you please do something about this clown's repeated stalkings?
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readingu
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12-09-11 09:30 PM - Post#143258
In response to Al C
Just an opinion. Just restating a fact. Some of us have a justification to state opinions as you.
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Al C
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12-09-11 10:46 PM - Post#143260
In response to readingu
Facts? Here are some facts for you ... a couple of your recent posts addressed to me:
Me: Stop it ... y'all are killing me!!!
You: Really? When?
And that's the one where I said "go away."
You: but I can't say anything because Al C told me to go away in previous threads that have opinions.
I'm not going to dig any further back, my point is made. You're nothing but a troll.
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readingu
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12-11-11 06:34 PM - Post#143301
In response to Al C
Your quotes a correcto sir al c,,,ahhhahh
but
Tongue-in-cheek is a phrase used as a figure of speech to imply that a statement or other production is humorously intended and it should not be taken at face value.
Me: Stop it ... y'all are killing me!!!
You: Really? When?
And that's the one where I said "go away."
I find fascinating one takes things so serious. When some that you chat with and banter back and forth it seems okeedokey.
LOL sorry Al, No harm intended. I'll keep Readingu, and sometimes responding, that's life.(tic)
Ps CHICAGO was awesome last night!
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bergerandfries
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01-30-12 02:19 PM - Post#144783
In response to readingu
It remains to be seen how Lucas and Allen and Parker and TxDOT are going to handle traffic at this corner. It's going to be a mess and multiple cities and TxDOT are all going to have to reach agreement on fixing it before it will get better. Ugh.
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civicminded
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01-30-12 08:35 PM - Post#144789
In response to bergerandfries
Maybe the sno-cone stands can move in on that bottleneck? Seriously, yes such a change is a big deal. I'm gonna send a note to a Lucas official about it. We'll see.
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vrs
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01-31-12 07:51 AM - Post#144810
In response to bergerandfries
It remains to be seen how Lucas and Allen and Parker and TxDOT are going to handle traffic at this corner. It's going to be a mess and multiple cities and TxDOT are all going to have to reach agreement on fixing it before it will get better. Ugh.
Looking at the Collin County Thoroughfare plan
http://www.co.collin.tx.us/commissioners_court/mo b... , both of those roads are Farm to Markets that are slated to be 6 lane divided major arterials when they grow up.
As I am looking at the County 2007 Bond report, it looks like 2551 was included along with the Allen part of Bethany (west of 2551) but not the Lucas side of the intersection. I could be reading it wrong.
I also don't know who all pays a share of the cost when an FM is upgraded - developer or municipality or county or state or some combination of funds. City of Allen transportation department or a call to the County might clear that up - funding and timing.
For that matter, Walmart HQ probably has a good idea of when those improvements are scheduled. But I know they put the store in at Custer and 380 long before the intersection was built and the road widened (still in progress) and it has been a mess.
Like General Bullmoose sang it -
Progress is the root of all evil
Progress is the cause of it all,
Our livin' standard's now so good
I had to change my neighborhood
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(big finish)
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BRING BACK THE GOOD OL' DAYS!!!
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pcrtx
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02-06-12 11:49 AM - Post#145065
In response to vrs
It appears to be on the agenda for tomorrow's city council meeting in Parker if you are interested in attending.
http://www.parkertexas.us/archives/39/CCagd2012_ 02...
PRESENTATION, CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON
WAL-MART SITE IN THE CITY OF LUCAS.
The above PDF also includes the packet of information that the cities of Allen and Lucas have been working on.
Edited by pcrtx on 02-06-12 11:50 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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orchardsguy
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04-27-12 10:28 AM - Post#148522
In response to pcrtx
Walmart construction started at Lucas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8XWaR76jw8
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cp
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04-30-12 07:42 AM - Post#148627
In response to orchardsguy
To the general thread, was there as much opposition to the Walmart at Exchange/75 as there seems to be for the Lucas location?
I'm not too big a fan of Walmart myself simply from experience shopping at Spring Creek/75. However, Allen seems to take pride in its own store given the friendliness of the employees/many shoppers and store cleanliness, something the SC/75 location can't say the same for.
I don't let the few personal issues stop me from saving a dollar or two here locally...
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