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Username Post: School Board Candidates - Side by Side        (Topic#19852)
jrob 
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04-30-12 12:52 AM - Post#148625    
    In response to mgrayar

  • mgrayar Said:
I read on another forum that the ISD taxes we pay are the highest legally allowable in Texas, however the current board has set a goal of getting the law changed in order to be able to raise them further. Is this truly the case, please tell me that person was incorrect.



AISD's taxes are the highest legally allowed.

Why? Because Ken Paxton, Florence Shapiro, Rick Perry and a host of other Republicans cut the amount of money for public education. Balancing the State budget on students and teachers. The district made cuts and the asked the voters for the increase. It was voter approved.

Did AISD reduce their budget? Yes. Could they have decided to not ask the voters for a tax increase? Yes. But it would have been a horrible experience for my kids.

I don't want my girls in crowded classrooms. My middle child already has 23 in her elementary class. Finding electives that are relevant at the HS level is near impossible because they classes are already full.

If you don't like the school tax rate, start complaining to those running for State Rep or State Senate. They ultimately control the purse strings.

Don't think the new candidates will solve your problem. Zafari can't make a decision. Look at her Facebook www.facebook.com/RonaZafariForAllenSch ools campaign page. She refers everyone to the Allen American article where she supports the new elementary school. But in response to a post, she indicated she is against the school because she wants to reduce the debt.

She can't have it both ways. Either she doesn't think we are smart enough to realize she is taking both sides of the issue or she doesn't have an idea what she could be doing. Either way is dangerous.

 
rw 
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04-30-12 08:08 AM - Post#148628    
    In response to AllenConsumer

I don't know VRS personally, just by her service on the AISD Board and her comments on Allen Online over the years, and she certainly can defend herself better than i can...But I for one respect her views on this topic and her depth of knowledge on school financing in Texas and AISD in particular.

It's not as simple as lowereing the tax rate at the local level...



 
mgrayar 
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04-30-12 08:44 AM - Post#148630    
    In response to jrob

  • jrob Said:
  • mgrayar Said:
I read on another forum that the ISD taxes we pay are the highest legally allowable in Texas, however the current board has set a goal of getting the law changed in order to be able to raise them further. Is this truly the case, please tell me that person was incorrect.



AISD's taxes are the highest legally allowed.

Why? Because Ken Paxton, Florence Shapiro, Rick Perry and a host of other Republicans cut the amount of money for public education. Balancing the State budget on students and teachers. The district made cuts and the asked the voters for the increase. It was voter approved.

Did AISD reduce their budget? Yes. Could they have decided to not ask the voters for a tax increase? Yes. But it would have been a horrible experience for my kids.

I don't want my girls in crowded classrooms. My middle child already has 23 in her elementary class. Finding electives that are relevant at the HS level is near impossible because they classes are already full.

If you don't like the school tax rate, start complaining to those running for State Rep or State Senate. They ultimately control the purse strings.

Don't think the new candidates will solve your problem. Zafari can't make a decision. Look at her Facebook www.facebook.com/RonaZafariForAllenSch ools campaign page. She refers everyone to the Allen American article where she supports the new elementary school. But in response to a post, she indicated she is against the school because she wants to reduce the debt.

She can't have it both ways. Either she doesn't think we are smart enough to realize she is taking both sides of the issue or she doesn't have an idea what she could be doing. Either way is dangerous.



Thank you for your comments, in not sure if you meant them to come accross argumentative, but they came across that way. I fully understand the tax situation and know its cause, however my question was a bit different.

I asked if a known goal of the current AISD board in the coming years is to change the law to be able to raise taxes again? I would expect that if we are at the legal limit and still unable to sustain our standards, that the goal would be to fix the root problem and not change the tax rate limit.

It was a honest question, no lecture necessary.
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MO 
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04-30-12 04:16 PM - Post#148672    
    In response to mgrayar

  • mgrayar Said:
  • jrob Said:

If you don't like the school tax rate, start complaining to those running for State Rep or State Senate. They ultimately control the purse strings.





I would expect that if we are at the legal limit and still unable to sustain our standards, that the goal would be to fix the root problem and not change the tax rate limit.




Fixing the root problem was addressed by jrob....contact your state-level representatives. The root problem is in Austin. Leadership in Allen is doing the best they can with what they've got. To truly turn things around, our representatives (and governor) need to listen to the people.

But for here at home, we need to fill our school board with educated people that understand school finance so that they can help take on Austin, and keep our school district running smoothly until Austin sees reason.

 
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04-30-12 05:49 PM - Post#148675    
    In response to MO

  • MO Said:
  • mgrayar Said:
  • jrob Said:

If you don't like the school tax rate, start complaining to those running for State Rep or State Senate. They ultimately control the purse strings.





I would expect that if we are at the legal limit and still unable to sustain our standards, that the goal would be to fix the root problem and not change the tax rate limit.




Fixing the root problem was addressed by jrob....contact your state-level representatives. The root problem is in Austin. Leadership in Allen is doing the best they can with what they've got. To truly turn things around, our representatives (and governor) need to listen to the people.

But for here at home, we need to fill our school board with educated people that understand school finance so that they can help take on Austin, and keep our school district running smoothly until Austin sees reason.


Again, not an answer to my question.

I'll try one more time. Does the current board plan to try to get the law changed in order to raise the allowable tax amount? That is being thrown around, and I was wondering if anyone knew this to actually be true.

Austin politics is a topic unto itself. My question is specifically to the objectives set forth by the actual AISD board. Simple and direct question, I think.
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jrob 
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04-30-12 08:38 PM - Post#148679    
    In response to mgrayar

  • mgrayar Said:


Thank you for your comments, in not sure if you meant them to come accross argumentative, but they came across that way. I fully understand the tax situation and know its cause, however my question was a bit different.

I asked if a known goal of the current AISD board in the coming years is to change the law to be able to raise taxes again? I would expect that if we are at the legal limit and still unable to sustain our standards, that the goal would be to fix the root problem and not change the tax rate limit.

It was a honest question, no lecture necessary.



Sorry if they came across that way, didn't intend on it coming across that way.

 
vrs 
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04-30-12 09:31 PM - Post#148680    
    In response to vrs

  • vrs Said:
  • mgrayar Said:
I read on another forum that the ISD taxes we pay are the highest legally allowable in Texas, however the current board has set a goal of getting the law changed in order to be able to raise them further. Is this truly the case, please tell me that person was incorrect.



That person was incorrect.

http://www.allenamerican.com/articles/2011/11/16/a ...




mgrayar - not sure if you saw this earlier post of mine or not.

Simple answer is no - the school district is NOT suing for the privilege of raising the tax rate.

Which of course begs the question, what ARE they suing for? They are suing for adequate funding and a level playing field. The way the process works is that the courts will decide whether the law in its current form is or is not constitutional. The courts will not decide on the manner in which relief is provided - that is up to the legislature.

Outcome #1 - the courts uphold the current law. The legislature will very likely do nothing in that case and school districts will continue to squeeze until the system springs a leak somewhere else (across the board salary cuts, mega classes, etc.) Eventually the schools will then go BACK to court on an adequacy complaint and win.

Outcome #2 - the court declares the current law fails a constitutional test (does not provide adequate funding, is a de facto statewide property tax with no meaningful discretion at the local level, etc.)

If the past predicts the future, sooner or later we will get to outcome number 2 and the legislature will be compelled to make a change in the law. At that point the politicos are in charge and they are free to create any solution they want which relieves whatever condition the court found unconstitutional in the current version.

Therefore, the school district is NOT suing for the right to raise the local tax rate. The school district is suing to get the courts to declare the system broken and to compel the legislature to "do something."

(I highlighted that paragraph because it constitutes the simplest affirmative answer to your question I can frame.)

So then, assuming outcome #2 (i.e. the legislature is compelled to "do something," what might they do?

Anybody's guess. One outcome I know Allen ISD would love to see is for the legislature to let us have our revenue per student calculated based on our 2012 total property wealth - not stay frozen at 2006 total valuation.All this fabulous growth in the city has not made a dime's worth of difference to our school district when calculated as spending per student. That one change would at least put Allen on a level playing field with the neighboring districts.
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mgrayar 
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04-30-12 09:37 PM - Post#148681    
    In response to vrs

  • vrs Said:
  • vrs Said:
  • mgrayar Said:
I read on another forum that the ISD taxes we pay are the highest legally allowable in Texas, however the current board has set a goal of getting the law changed in order to be able to raise them further. Is this truly the case, please tell me that person was incorrect.



That person was incorrect.

http://www.allenamerican.com/articles/2011/11/16/a ...




mgrayar - not sure if you saw this earlier post of mine or not.

Simple answer is no - the school district is NOT suing for the privilege of raising the tax rate.

Which of course begs the question, what ARE they suing for? They are suing for adequate funding and a level playing field. The way the process works is that the courts will decide whether the law in its current form is or is not constitutional. The courts will not decide on the manner in which relief is provided - that is up to the legislature.

Outcome #1 - the courts uphold the current law. The legislature will very likely do nothing in that case and school districts will continue to squeeze until the system springs a leak somewhere else (across the board salary cuts, mega classes, etc.) Eventually the schools will then go BACK to court on an adequacy complaint and win.

Outcome #2 - the court declares the current law fails a constitutional test (does not provide adequate funding, is a de facto statewide property tax with no meaningful discretion at the local level, etc.)

If the past predicts the future, sooner or later we will get to outcome number 2 and the legislature will be compelled to make a change in the law. At that point the politicos are in charge and they are free to create any solution they want which relieves whatever condition the court found unconstitutional in the current version.

Therefore, the school district is NOT suing for the right to raise the local tax rate. The school district is suing to get the courts to declare the system broken and to compel the legislature to "do something."

(I highlighted that paragraph because it constitutes the simplest affirmative answer to your question I can frame.)

So then, assuming outcome #2 (i.e. the legislature is compelled to "do something," what might they do?

Anybody's guess. One outcome I know Allen ISD would love to see is for the legislature to let us have our revenue per student calculated based on our 2012 total property wealth - not stay frozen at 2006 total valuation.All this fabulous growth in the city has not made a dime's worth of difference to our school district when calculated as spending per student. That one change would at least put Allen on a level playing field with the neighboring districts.


Somehow I completely missed that originally. Thank you for reposting.
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vrs 
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05-01-12 12:23 AM - Post#148682    
    In response to mgrayar

You are entirely welcome. The original post was just the link to the Allen American article and the "they are mistaken" comment. Easy to overlook.

Okay -

Rona Zafari's campaign finance report. I am not going to post names and addresses, just dollar amounts and subdivisions:

$200 Check from a relative
$150 Quail Run
$100 Quail Run
$100 Quail Run
$100 Quail Run
$100 Greenville Crossing
$50 Quail Run
$40 Cash - No address
$25 Twin Creeks 3
$25 Waterford Trails
$20 Cash - No address
$20 Cash - No address

Also, Bryce Green (Rona's campaign manager) is the registered administrator for Alan Hurst's campaign website. But there is no connection between those campaigns and Rona has taken no set position on the barn and she is not beholden to any special interest.
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cp 
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05-01-12 09:00 AM - Post#148691    
    In response to vrs

I went to vote yesterday. Boy, I'm telling you -- the line was crazy out the door...

Well, okay. It wasn't. Actually, I was the only person voting at the time. I'm hoping more people voted either before or after me, and I most certainly hope the same will happen through election day...
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Jeremy 
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05-01-12 09:34 AM - Post#148693    
    In response to cp

I guess it could be because I always vote during early voting and don't wait until election day but I have never had other voters in the room when I voted. Hopefully people will turn out this time. I plan to vote Friday afternoon... maybe I will actually see someone else there this time.

 
cp 
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05-01-12 11:02 AM - Post#148696    
    In response to Jeremy

  • Jeremy Said:
I guess it could be because I always vote during early voting and don't wait until election day but I have never had other voters in the room when I voted. Hopefully people will turn out this time. I plan to vote Friday afternoon... maybe I will actually see someone else there this time.



As much as I can help it, I try to vote early. As a matter of fact, I don't think I've ever voted on an actual election day.

Get in, get out, move on, and hope the results reflect my vote.

Regarding the school board election, I think the questions each candidate answered pretty much tell me what I need to know, especially with VRS' help...
"In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination..." -Samuel Langhorne Clemens, better known as Mark Twain


 
Jeremy 
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05-01-12 11:59 AM - Post#148703    
    In response to cp

I agree. Both the DMN and Allen American did a nice job of helping inform voters about the candidates' positions and qualifications. I personally looked at associations to other people and donors to fill in the blanks as to motivations and stances on issues they have obviously discussed in private with donors but have not revealed publically. Here's to hoping voters are paying attention.

 
Jeremy 
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05-03-12 07:59 AM - Post#148933    
    In response to Jeremy

There is another article in the Allen American this morning, as well as on their website, about the candidates. This one is from the Tea Party forum last Thursday. Two things mainly stuck out to me while reading this.

1. Rona is really focusing on the debt issue. That is not at all a bad thing… but it seems it has her complete focus. Every answer she provided included the word debt.

Here is my favorite example:

Allen American: What each candidate would change to improve education without raising taxes was the next topic of discussion.
Zafari said the district has a great educational system, but expressed concern with regard to the district's debt.
"Again, my concern is the debt that we currently we have, which is going to affect each student individually," she said. "How it's going to affect them, that's something we have to sit down with the board and talk about."


Seems kind of like the Nancy Pelosi Health Care response when she said “We need to pass it to really see what is in it.”

2. The next part of the article I thought was interesting was in regards to board meetings.

Allen American: The candidates were then asked how many board meetings and workshops they had attended in the past year -- or, in the case of Shepard, how many meetings they have missed as trustees.
Zafari said she has been too busy as a full-time insurance agent and mother to attend but watches them online.


I find it hard to believe that once she is on the board it will be any easier or less time consuming.

Regardless of who you vote for at least make you voice heard and vote.

Allen American: Early voting will continue from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. through May 5 and from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. on May 7 and 8. Polls will be open on Election Day, May 12, from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. All voting will take place at the Allen Municipal Court building, 301 Century Parkway.

 
vrs 
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05-06-12 08:53 PM - Post#149065    
    In response to Jeremy

Next round of campaign finance reports were due last Friday - 8 days before election.

Jason Shephard is on modified filing so no reports are due unless his expenses go up.

Carl Clemencich listed $785 additional expenditures.

Neither Alan Hurst nor Rona Zafari had filed a report on the deadline.
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cp 
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05-07-12 07:15 AM - Post#149075    
    In response to vrs

  • vrs Said:
Next round of campaign finance reports were due last Friday - 8 days before election.

Jason Shephard is on modified filing so no reports are due unless his expenses go up.

Carl Clemencich listed $785 additional expenditures.

Neither Alan Hurst nor Rona Zafari had filed a report on the deadline.




I may be mistaken, but when the paper came out Friday, it had stated that only 152 votes had been cast in early voting since it began.

I know it's a local election, but hopefully more of Allen's 84k+ population will vote. Or else, I don't mind being part of the few who might have a lot to say on who got elected and who didn't...
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Jeremy 
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05-07-12 07:42 AM - Post#149077    
    In response to vrs

What happens if a candidate does not submit a finance report? Who enforces it? It seems to me that those two candidates want to get onto the board, for whatever reason they have, but do not want to follow the rules to do it. Both of their campaign signs are wrong because they both simply say "Alen Hurst (or Rona Zafari) Allen ISD". They don't say "for" or list the place they are running for. Why would I vote for someone that does not even know how to properly run for the office?

 
vrs 
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05-07-12 12:37 PM - Post#149091    
    In response to Jeremy

  • Quote:
PENALTIES FOR REPORTING VIOLATIONS
Any citizen may file a criminal complaint with the district attorney, a civil complaint with the Ethics Commission, or a civil action against a candidate or officeholder for violations of title 15. Any penalty stemming from such complaints would be assessed against the candidate or officeholder, not the campaign treasurer.



So someone would have to file a complaint and then the authorities would have to think it is worthwhile following up. By which time of course the election is long over.

For my own part, I think it's VERY important for the voters to know - and that's about it. If the litmus test is always "how does this help the kids," then I don't see any constructive purpose in trying to get the DA to chase down candidates in a local school board election after the votes are counted.
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