ChrisH
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05-02-12 10:08 AM - Post#148809
In response to Sammy24
I guess we will have to agree to disagree - If the all-powerful football commissioner and the cheap window dressing (you call the competition committee) are only in it to ensure they get their own, the thousands and thousands of kids that participate in ASA sports each year would suggest they are doing something right, would it not? Or are they all disillusioned amid a few "enlightened" residents?
Has the zombie apocalypse arrived and I just didn't realize?
I am not saying everything is wrong with ASA, although I have seen hints and suggestions of issues from other sports, all I know is what I saw first hand and what I personally know about the current comissioner of football. I know how he works, how he thinks, how he manipultes, and the lack of integrity he has. I know this because as stated earlier, I coached with him in multiple sports for multiple years, I was on the board and saw the inner workings, I saw how the rules were changed in a matter of a day to suit his needs, and I saw the way he treated people who had a different opinion then his own.
All I know is what I had first hand knowledge of and what I am seeing occur now. As I stated back when I volunteered to be the commisioner or to allow it to go to vote, I dont believe a commisioner should be allowed to coach a team in the league. This is the only way to keep personal interest out.
"he thousands and thousands of kids that participate in ASA sports each year would suggest they are doing something right,"
Since so many teams and kids leave ASA football, wouldnt that also indicate that they are doing something wrong? Again, not talking about basktball,hockey, soccer, etc... we are talking about 1 sport with a history of teams leaving because of the actions of the football commissioner and the board. There is proof of rules being written to benefit the current commissioner.
Edited by ChrisH on 05-02-12 10:11 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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EnjoyingLife
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05-02-12 10:14 AM - Post#148810
In response to ChrisH
Thank you ChrisH, I couldn't have said it any better!
Fact...the rule about leaving for a select team has been in place for several years. If you leave ASA for a select team and if you want to return to ASA, you MUST enter the draft, no exceptions. I know of a specific player who has played on a select team for the last 2 seasons, including the commissioners current select team. According to my resources, which I will NOT mention in this forum nor to anyone else for obvious reasons, this player has already been recruited by the commissioner to play on his team this fall in the D6 ASA league! Well, according to the rules, this player MUST enter the draft.
Now lets talk about the "rules"...registration opened yesterday. The rules for ALL football leagues are supposed to be posted online the day registration opens. Guess what, NO RULES as of today. The only rules you can download are the flag football rules. Reason why is because the commissioner is trying to change the rules for his own benefit.
The commissioner has also been calling the other coaches in the D6 league letting them know that he's changing the rules. There are several very influential coaches that don't want to have any part of this because they know it's cheating. They know the commissioner is trying to stack his team unfairly. As I stated earlier, one of the better teams in the league has already pulled out and there are a few others coaches from other teams already speaking to the parents about heading to another league.
Trust me...all of us coaches talk to each other. We all know what's going on and we've all complained but yet nothing changes. Parents have also complained for years via the annual ASA parent/coaches survey. At this point, all we can do is speak to our parents about leaving ASA because ASA won't listen!
We D6 parents/coaches only have one last season before middle school. Most of these kids will NEVER play football again. Why should we expose ourselves to a league that unfairly allows teams to stack the best of the best who will do nothing but beat the heck out of everyone else? How much fun will that be for our kids?
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cp
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05-02-12 10:30 AM - Post#148811
In response to Sammy24
I guess we will have to agree to disagree - If the all-powerful football commissioner and the cheap window dressing (you call the competition committee) are only in it to ensure they get their own, the thousands and thousands of kids that participate in ASA sports each year would suggest they are doing something right, would it not? Or are they all disillusioned amid a few "enlightened" residents?
Has the zombie apocalypse arrived and I just didn't realize?
Agree to disagree? You haven't disclosed your affiliation with the ASA. ChrisH has. They indicate they've served on the board. Have you? Why attempt to discredit their first-hand account? I saw no indication of emotional persuasion from them, yet you come in trying to discredit someone's experience.
If you have first-hand experience or knowledge of the sitauation mentioned above, then by all means provide it. Don't take stabs at discrediting someone's story otherwise, especially if they've provided in-depth details about their experience.
As for the other "thousands and thousands", maybe the parents of those kids are just a bunch of "yes men" who don't want to ruffle any feathers by saying something. Maybe there's intimidation from the leadership not to say anything.
I suppose if more of those thousands and thousands of parents realize what's going on, maybe we'll see more responses to this thread...
BTW, I have no interactions with the ASA. I'm simply responding to the flow of this thread...
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mcollins45
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05-02-12 10:43 AM - Post#148813
In response to cp
I think someone needs to check the source of their information because it is not correct. My daughter cheers in ASA and I talked to a cheer board member and the fact is that no football recruiting rules have changed. The Commissioner and another 3 all from different teams put together a select team for the spring and all the players on that team have to go back to their regular team and can not change teams. I was also told that the commissioners team is always full and he does not have room to recruit players.
I am very confident that when the rules are put up there will be several that should man up and do the right thing and come on here and say that they were wrong and assumed way too much. I doubt that will happen because it is far too easy to sit behind a computer and talk a lot of slander. Oh and the girls that are assigned to cheer for the boys in the 6th grade say there is only one team that left.
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iClaudius
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05-02-12 10:51 AM - Post#148814
In response to mcollins45
Wait, there it is, in the distance, the dawning light of truth. It certainly will put a damper on all of the rumor mongering (directed at nobody in particular WM...only the opinions)
MCollins is preaching what the Lord loves to hear.
Hey Sammy24, I think you're onto something too. With all of the mindless unfocused rage, this is a lot like the zombie apocalypse. It's scary.
Wait for it. Here comes a breaking news story to dispel these "opinions".
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iClaudius
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05-02-12 11:13 AM - Post#148815
In response to EnjoyingLife
Dee Dee DeeedeeedeedeeeDeeeeee. That's a telegraph machine working away. This just in
"there has not been a single change to any of the recruiting or team formation rules for the 2012 season and they are exactly as they have been for at least the last 3 years" Stop.
With the wealth of info at the disposal of your opinion, this should be easy to corroborate.
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iClaudius
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05-02-12 11:24 AM - Post#148816
In response to iClaudius
Somebody turn up the volume. The silence is deafening.
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mcollins45
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05-02-12 11:34 AM - Post#148817
In response to iClaudius
That awkward moment when you were given or even created alot of information that was not true and you went out (or someone wanted you to be the one they knew would go out and that is why they told you ) and cry the sky is falling and it all ends up being wrong. Insert cricket chirping noise here. This could be worthy of a double face palm.
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EnjoyingLife
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05-02-12 11:47 AM - Post#148818
In response to iClaudius
I never said the rules WERE changed. I said the commissioner is again trying...the word there is TRYING...to change the rules yet again to benefit his own team.
I know exactly what's going on and so do the other coaches in the league who are fed up! These same coaches I speak of received a phone call directly from the commissioner who did nothing but attack most of them when they didn't agree with his logic. I doubt someone on the "cheer board" knows what's going on.
For the sake of the kids, parents and coaches in the league who want the league to remain a RECREATIONAL LEAGUE, I hope the ASA rules committee puts a stop to it and doesn't allow a change to the rule. BUT, as most of us who are actually INVOLVED with the league have witnessed, all of his other rule changes have been allowed even when complaints were loud and clear.
Think whatever you want, say whatever you want. You won't hurt my feelings even if what you say is childish (directed at nobody in particular).
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ChrisH
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05-02-12 12:06 PM - Post#148820
In response to EnjoyingLife
Just back from lunch. I never said the rules were being changed, I did give my first hand accounts of how the rules WERE CHANGED in the past to suit his needs. I have personally talked to 2 different team coaches and numerous parents who are looking for a different league to be in this fall and I wont mention the grade level. I know of several teams in the past who have left as well as dozens of kids whos parents have pulled them from ASA football because of the actions of the commissioner.
I love disputing my first hand knowledge with people who have no true insight to the person, the position, or the organization in which they are trying to dispute.
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mcollins45
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05-02-12 12:09 PM - Post#148821
In response to EnjoyingLife
No you pretty much said the rule will be changed. Here is what you wrote.
"So guess what...the rule will be changed. The new rule will state that if you leave for a select team, you can return to your "old" team, enter the draft OR be freely recruited by any other team!!! That means the commish can keep his select team and play in the ASA D6 league leaving all the other ASA football teams without their best players!"
You were given bad information and came on here and proclaimed to everyone who reads this that it is changing and that there is widespread corruption when in fact no rules have changed. The others who spend all their time obsessed about what is the commissioner doing where is he what is he up to that seem to want to be him also came on here and agreed with you.
I tried to get a new Cadillac but my husband so no I still have my 2010 Cadillac because I tried to get one does not mean I have one and if the commissioner did try and change a rule it looks like there are things and people in place to prevent bad rule changes so the system works.
A lot of times when people who are not informed complain there is no reason to change anything because no issue exists except for with the people complaining.
Do you have any specific examples of rules that were changed at anytime only to benefit the commissioner and his team? Are they as factual as this posting about this rule?
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ChrisH
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05-02-12 12:16 PM - Post#148824
In response to mcollins45
"The others who spend all their time obsessed about what is the commissioner doing where is he what is he up to that seem to want to be him also came on here and agreed with you."
I would believe your talking about me in this statement, I dont want to be him and I wouldnt trade spots with him if I was paid.
Believe me, if the rules were not changed there is a reason. Either the issue in question is no longer relevant or the commissioner changed his mind. If he wanted it changed, it would be changed.
Someone posted a topic that I have first hand experience with and I shared my information. Take it however you want.
Edited by ChrisH on 05-02-12 12:17 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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ChrisH
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05-02-12 12:28 PM - Post#148833
In response to ChrisH
"Do you have any specific examples of rules that were changed at anytime only to benefit the commissioner and his team? Are they as factual as this posting about this rule?"
I have factual proof.
1 coach takes an Allen team to another city league for a season and tries to come back to ASA.
Said coach was not bringing any additional players back other than those on his team that left Allen with the team.
Rules were written to prevent the team from returning to ASA as a team without having to all go through the draft. The coach was banned from coaching in ASA for 2 years.
Within the same rules, another coach who dropped his ASA team and took select players to another city league, was able to return to ASA with the same players and additonal recruited players and continue coaching.
The rules were written to say that if you took a team to another league, you couldnt return as a team and the coach couldnt coach but at the same time, it allowed you to take select players from ASA to another league and return with the same players and create a whole new team without having the players go to draft.
This rule was written specifically to allow XXXX to return to coaching in ASA and allow him to keep his players that he pulled out of ASA. This rule was worded almost exactly to overturn the objections we had when we met with the board in reference to them not allowing a coach and team to return but allowing XXXX to do so. We specifically asked them why the team and coaches could not return since there were no rules written that said the couldnt but he was allowed to return with his players. This rule was written within 1 day of the meeting.
Edited by Webmaster on 05-02-12 03:59 PM. Reason for edit: Privacy issues
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iClaudius
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05-02-12 12:28 PM - Post#148834
In response to EnjoyingLife
"So Guess What...The Rule Will Be Changed". Ummm, it sort of damages the credibility of one's opinions when one waffles like this. There are several reputable PR firms that would tell you the same thing. Baseless conjecture has whipped up a lot of emotion. In your first inflammatory post, where you told us "Sorry, but you need the history", did you pause at all before repeating these rumors? Turns out that history wasn't quite on the mark. Does it trouble you at all to have your oh-so-informed opinions dashed mercilessly upon the unyielding surface of the truth? What else might be ridiculously exaggerated? What other statements made here might be less than accurate? The rooster can flap and crow all he wants, but the farmer knows that the sun came up all on its own. Ponder this carefully when your opinions wax towards sowing discord and discontent.
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ChrisH
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05-02-12 12:37 PM - Post#148837
In response to iClaudius
I will say one thing, the commissioner has done some good and helped the league to grow. So it is not all bad. He brought in spring ball and tried to start select ball.
The only thing I think should change is that the commissioner should not be allowed to coach a team and should not have any input into rule changes without a allowing full viewership of the changes and a vote to take place amongst all those involved in the specific sport within ASA. This means everyone from the commissioner down to the parent should be able to view the rule and submit a vote.
until that happens, I will still voice my first hand knowledge of what I currently know about the commissioner and the actual factual information I can provide in regards to rule changes and corruption.
Edited by ChrisH on 05-02-12 12:39 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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cp
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05-02-12 12:44 PM - Post#148842
In response to iClaudius
"So Guess What...The Rule Will Be Changed". Ummm, it sort of damages the credibility of one's opinions when one waffles like this. There are several reputable PR firms that would tell you the same thing. Baseless conjecture has whipped up a lot of emotion. In your first inflammatory post, where you told us "Sorry, but you need the history", did you pause at all before repeating these rumors? Turns out that history wasn't quite on the mark. Does it trouble you at all to have your oh-so-informed opinions dashed mercilessly upon the unyielding surface of the truth? What else might be ridiculously exaggerated? What other statements made here might be less than accurate? The rooster can flap and crow all he wants, but the farmer knows that the sun came up all on its own. Ponder this carefully when your opinions wax towards sowing discord and discontent.
Inflammatory post? Seeing that you're brand new to the forum and that you've already had a post of yours removed from this thread, it appears you have made some inflammatory statements in this thread that granted removal. Now, who's posting inflammatory comments again?
Prove me (and others on here) wrong. Are you affiliated with ASA? By your strong position, almost one that attempts to discredit someone's experience, you paint yourself as one who has some interaction with the ASA, perhaps the very position being described from EnjoyingLife and ChrisH. Otherwise, you wouldn't be coming on so strongly against a certain poster's statements.
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ChrisH
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05-02-12 12:55 PM - Post#148845
In response to cp
You may be onto something.
Inflammatory posting
Sarcastic attitude
Hillbilly type referencing about crows and such
The fact the rules were just released just after someone mentioned they hadnt been released.
Makes one wonder just who this is. People so easily hide behind screen names.
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ChrisH
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05-02-12 12:59 PM - Post#148846
In response to ChrisH
Well I do see something that was changed from the previous example I provided, guess it was changed after the commissioners 2 years had expired:
"Any Coach, Assistant Coach or any other person who has left the ASA Football league under any of the following
circumstances will not be allowed to return to Coach in any program offered by ASA football in any capacity for 2 complete
calendar years from the violation.
1. Left with a team
2. Left with part of a team
3. Has taken, accepted, recruited, attempted to recruit or otherwise left with a player or players off of any roster of any
other team in any division within ASA
After two (2) complete calendar years the person/s may appear before the Football Board for a hearing to determine if
he/she may return. There is no guarantee that the person will be allowed to return after 2 years. Coaching in ASA Football
is not a right; it is a privilege to hold a coaching role."
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ChrisH
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05-02-12 01:02 PM - Post#148847
In response to ChrisH
This was also added in. I am curious when, was it after his "2 years" would have expired?
In the case of an existing ASA team who’s Head Coach decides not to return to the league, he will be ineligible to Coach in
any capacity in ASA Football for 2 seasons. There are exceptions to this rule and this will be reviewed on a case by case
basis. The intent is to prevent coaches stepping down from one team only to take players to other teams and still act in a
coach capacity. The team he is leaving will be reviewed for the disbandment process.
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EnjoyingLife
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05-02-12 01:04 PM - Post#148848
In response to cp
He/she has no first hand knowledge. Just someone who wants to make noise and waste our time.
The purpose of creating this post was to bring this issue to attention and hopefully stop a rule change that should never have been considered in the first place.
I noticed the 2012 fall football rules have finally been posted on the ASA website. It looks like the rule has not changed.
Per ASA rulebook: Any player who played ASA Football and who was recruited, joined, accepted, or became part
of a team that was formed in violation of ASA team formation rules and left ASA football to play in any other organized football league may return only as an individual player to play in ASA at anytime. These players upon return may only be placed by draft. This includes any player who plays or has played in spring or fall select leagues. These players may return or join ASA football by draft only.
Knowing we had multiple teams threatening to leave ASA, one of which has already done so, maybe the ASA rules committee finally took a stand. However, that still doesn't change a thing when it comes to XXXX, the commissioner! Knowing the rule, he was still recruiting, contacting coaches trying to get the rule changed and even had the parents of one player sold on the fact that their son would be on XXXX team!
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