DrivinTooFast
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06-09-14 07:21 PM - Post#169049
In response to Al C
I received my court date...... Clerk seemed surprised I was challenging the ruling and not just paying the fine.
July 19th.
Courts must be backed up from all the water violations. Mr. City Manager, this is going to be a long 5 weeks for you and your water department.
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vrs
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06-09-14 08:56 PM - Post#169051
In response to Al C
Constructions of new lakes also requires rain.
It also requires the taking of other people's land.
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DrivinTooFast
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06-10-14 12:39 AM - Post#169053
In response to vrs
Take my land, build me a bigger underground water reservoir and I'll supply the beer. We'll be done before one guy turns to the next and says 'Watch this.."
We can fill 'er up while attempting to wright our names in the soil.
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vm7mm
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06-10-14 06:42 AM - Post#169054
In response to DrivinTooFast
Sprinklers are on at the park next to Kroger on Bethany, wrong Tuesday.
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mwestfall
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06-10-14 09:09 AM - Post#169056
In response to vm7mm
Also interesting seeing how much water the City of Allen is using to water a 8' strip of grass in the median of Exchange EVERY SINGLE MORNING.
Do as I say, not as I do.
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StacyLynn624
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06-10-14 10:02 AM - Post#169059
In response to SB
And why would I even think of disconnecting my water supply? What an odd comment.
It's the ultimate in water conservation. You are so concerned with everyone else not using one single drop more than they think they need, shouldn't you lead by example?
It was a joke. Settle down.
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StacyLynn624
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06-10-14 10:13 AM - Post#169060
In response to mwestfall
Also interesting seeing how much water the City of Allen is using to water a 8' strip of grass in the median of Exchange EVERY SINGLE MORNING.
Do as I say, not as I do.
Exactly. We can't plant new sod, but they can put it in a median where no one will use it...AND water it. Complete bull.
The drought is only a small part of the problem. The real problem is planning. The people at the water district have totally screwed up for 20 years, and they are taking it out on us. Its ridiculous.
Dallas has plenty of water. Enough that they can sell it to us. Why are we ok with this incompetency? It makes no sense.
If your sprinklers aren't on City water, you should be able to water whenever you want for as long as you want. The rate tiers should be higher. THAT is how to get people to conserve.
I agree that we should be relying on the water meters and not people who are paid and given expensive benefits. People who live in a 2000 sq ft tract house that have a $100+ water bill each month have a leak. They should only be paying about $50-60 or less per month. Use your computer, find all of those people, and offer to send a Plumber out there to check it out. Or go inspect their meter to make sure it's not the City's issue.
Why not redirect the efforts of the people to saving water that people don't realize they are wasting, instead of wielding power and control over the "little people" and putting Class B Misdemeanors on their records.
DTF, I'd still consult a Lawyer. Bring the big guns. You're fighting this for all of us.
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Stirling
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06-10-14 10:35 AM - Post#169061
In response to StacyLynn624
Settle down.
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asmile4u
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06-10-14 10:47 AM - Post#169062
In response to StacyLynn624
Also interesting seeing how much water the City of Allen is using to water a 8' strip of grass in the median of Exchange EVERY SINGLE MORNING.
Do as I say, not as I do.
Exactly. We can't plant new sod, but they can put it in a median where no one will use it...AND water it. Complete bull.
The drought is only a small part of the problem. The real problem is planning. The people at the water district have totally screwed up for 20 years, and they are taking it out on us. Its ridiculous.
If your sprinklers aren't on City water, you should be able to water whenever you want for as long as you want.
Why not redirect the efforts of the people to saving water that people don't realize they are wasting, instead of wielding power and control over the "little people" and putting Class B Misdemeanors on their records.
Nothing disputable said here. Sterling, curious to what you find inaccurate in her statements?
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TC2112
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06-10-14 10:49 AM - Post#169063
In response to StacyLynn624
DTF, I'd still consult a Lawyer. Bring the big guns. You're fighting this for all of us.
Good luck DTF. I know lawyering up costs more than the ticket, but you could get screwed over in court due to some procedural error.
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Stirling
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06-10-14 10:55 AM - Post#169064
In response to asmile4u
Nothing disputable said here. Sterling, curious to what you find inaccurate in her statements?
Her telling people to settle down...after reading her posts for well over a year, or two. It's comical.
I'm all for starting a war over water. We could go after Canada. However I won't be participating as I did in the war for BIG OIL interests. I'd much rather just ride my little bicycle to my civilian job, over those little painted sharrows, and get away with not paying for my share of the roadway (even though I do pay).
Btw...they were watering South Malone this morning. Makes my skinny tires really slippy. I didn't notice the pavement growing any though.
Next.
Edited by Stirling on 06-10-14 10:57 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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vm7mm
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06-10-14 12:34 PM - Post#169066
In response to Stirling
When you receive a ticket or citation, isn't it like being under arrest but you are actually just signing or accepting to promise to show up in court. Can't we (citizens) make a citizen's arrest or issue a citation to the City for breaking their own law? This law should apply to everyone!
Edited by vm7mm on 06-10-14 12:53 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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asmile4u
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06-10-14 02:30 PM - Post#169070
In response to vm7mm
Just an idea to toss around, as it seems the NTMWD and the city's only conservation plan is to let your landscaping die.
Scenario 1-My watering day is every other Friday. Let's say, rain is in the forecast for Saturday and Saturday night. Not wanting to take any chances because it would be another two weeks before I could 'legally' water, I have to water on Friday. Simply cannot risk not to. Then, lo and behold, it rains on Saturday, enough that would normally be a good soaking for my yard.
Now I just watered a day using city water that I could have avoided. Now multiply that by tens of thousands.
Scenario 2-My watering day is Friday and rain is forecast for Saturday. I hold off watering and then, as frequently happens, the forecast was wrong. Legally now, I would have to wait two more weeks, which would make it 4 weeks between watering.
Solution-If you hold off watering on your scheduled water day, then it doesn't rain, you get to water the next day legally without fear of being busted. No more water would be used than would have been used two days before, so no additional water usage above the norm.
It's all on an honor system anyway when we do or do not water, but think how much water could have been saved if you were given the window to hold off for 24-48 hours to see if we get rain. At least it's an alternative to the current senseless plan we have.
Edited by asmile4u on 06-10-14 05:45 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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rclark
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06-10-14 09:32 PM - Post#169073
In response to asmile4u
It's all on an honor system anyway when we do or do not water ...
Man, if there was only some way we could measure how much water we were using in a month, and just pay for the usage.
Two plus two equals five, for sufficiently large values of two.
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StacyLynn624
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06-10-14 09:32 PM - Post#169074
In response to asmile4u
^ Sounds good to me.
Sterling - Here's my beef. We work just as hard for the money that we use to pay taxes (that pay for these people to be our overlords) as we do for the money that we use to spend on groceries or clothing or whatever we want. We are extremely frugal with our money. So when the Government, the recipient of our tax dollars, isn't as frugal with our money as we are, it makes me extremely mad.
I can't believe more people aren't up in arms about that money that you slave away for being wasted away on paper pushing and overzealous, power-hungry, middle managers wielding misdemeanor tickets.
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Al C
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06-11-14 08:23 AM - Post#169076
In response to vrs
Constructions of new lakes also requires rain.
It also requires the taking of other people's land.
Yeah ... that too.
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electra-angelbyte
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06-11-14 09:09 PM - Post#169090
In response to Al C
Here's the latest map... http://cityofallen.org/DocumentCenter/View/1 235
And the details... http://www.cityofallen.org/index.aspx?NID=929
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vm7mm
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06-11-14 09:32 PM - Post#169091
In response to electra-angelbyte
Yes, there it is, you would think that the City of Allen's trained professionals would be able to follow their own rules and regulations but 
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DrivinTooFast
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06-12-14 04:41 AM - Post#169095
In response to DrivinTooFast
I received my court date...... Clerk seemed surprised I was challenging the ruling and not just paying the fine.
July 19th.
Courts must be backed up from all the water violations. Mr. City Manager, this is going to be a long 5 weeks for you and your water department.
Sorry I have been a little preoccupied for the past week so I need to bring you up to speed. When I was in the court to get my date I asked the clerk about the system she was using. She said it was relatively new. I looked down onto the swipe and sign pad.
Copyright 1999-2005. Yep, that's what I thought. Nothing like paying new for 9 year old software. That also explains why the water process seems so archaic. In 2005, sexy was just being able to electronically sign. Now the expectations bar is a little higher.
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DrivinTooFast
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06-12-14 04:48 AM - Post#169096
In response to DrivinTooFast
Many have stated I should lawyer up. While I certainly would not turn away any pro bono work from a socially active attorney, I can hold my own pretty well in a discussion and I have found most judges to be understanding of the law's difficult complexity for laymen and they cut them a little slack on the procedural issues.
I don't know if I will be judged innocent or guilty, but my main purpose for putting up such a stink is to bring to light the egregious, over-reaching process put in place by the city. If after all is said and done if I have to pay the $266 + court costs and of course the incredible level of time away from my real work that's a pretty small price to pay for trying to make a social change.
It's not like they are going to sick the attack dogs on me and attack with water hoses (irony) - or will they???
But if you are a young upstart attorney, I could use the help. Old farts attorneys are welcome too.
Edited by DrivinTooFast on 06-12-14 04:50 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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