vm7mm
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09-21-11 08:49 PM - Post#139412
Out and about this week, I was having a conversation with a very pleasant lady that wasn't having a very good day. We got to talking and she was telling me of some trouble that her son had gotten into over the weekend here in Allen. Seems that her son and his roomate were moving over the weekend late into the night and early morning. Long story short, they were sitting on the steps of the house they were moving out of and had the stereo on in the car parked at the curb. One police car shows up and then another, one male cop and one female cop. The cops asked if they had been drinking and they said they had a couple beers (why would this matter, they were on private property on the house side of the sidewalk). The female cop suggested taking the black person to jail and not the white person (both in their early 20's), the male cop said no, we have to take them both. They were both taken to jail for public intoxication. 350 dollar fine to get out. No sobriety test was given, breathalizer or blood drawn. They have 20 days to hire an Attorney to set up a hearing or do nothing and this will be on their record. Her son was the black person and they will be using our Attorney. Both of them go to college and her son plans to get into law enforcement.
Edited by vm7mm on 09-21-11 09:00 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Brewer
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09-21-11 10:16 PM - Post#139419
In response to vm7mm
"Isolated Incident" Nothing to see hear.
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vm7mm
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09-21-11 10:24 PM - Post#139423
In response to Brewer
Most likely APD will dismiss all charges, but how many people do they do this to and get away with it? Not all people can hire an Attorney. 700 dollars in fines is a pretty good take for one call. APD=
Edited by vm7mm on 09-21-11 10:48 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Brewer
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09-22-11 07:17 AM - Post#139428
In response to vm7mm
Officer safety? Everyone got home right? That is what is important.
I am being just a touch sarcastic.
It looks like folks sitting on the front porch is the NEW profit center.
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Dagwood
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09-22-11 07:22 AM - Post#139430
In response to vm7mm
First, when emotion overcomes someone, there's a tendency to exaggerate (one way or the other) stories when they're told to others.
What you state above is from another person's "experience." Were all details stated during the conversation between you and the neighbor? You say "long story short." Sure there are other important details in what's being cut short. One can only wonder...
What are your personal experiences with the APD?
What is the purpose of your post above? To strike up another negative conversation about the very people who are looking out to protect you, all based on a pleasant lady's experience, who wasn't having a very good day?
I'm curious to know how many of the complaints against a police officer or the department have actually been addressed through the proper chain of command, instead of merely discussing the incident on a forum such as this, or with neighbors around us.
I'm also curious to know what the history is behind those (the pleasant lady, her son, and his roommate) with such unfortunate experiences -- past criminal offenses, jail time, etc? Some who have that type of background, regardless of number of offenses or level of severety, would be the ones to express this type of disgust. I said some, not all...
Just curious...
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jogo
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09-22-11 08:00 AM - Post#139431
In response to vm7mm
Were the college students of legal drinking age?
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Al C
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09-22-11 08:07 AM - Post#139432
In response to Dagwood
What are your personal experiences with the APD?
What is the purpose of your post above? To strike up another negative conversation about the very people who are looking out to protect you, all based on a pleasant lady's experience, who wasn't having a very good day?
Just curious...
Don't get him started. It's a can o' worms ... family sized.
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Al C
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09-22-11 08:08 AM - Post#139433
In response to jogo
Were the college students of legal drinking age?
That was my first thought too.
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Dagwood
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09-22-11 08:33 AM - Post#139437
In response to Al C
What are your personal experiences with the APD?
What is the purpose of your post above? To strike up another negative conversation about the very people who are looking out to protect you, all based on a pleasant lady's experience, who wasn't having a very good day?
Just curious...
Don't get him started. It's a can o' worms ... family sized.
Gotcha. Well, my only response would be: become a police officer, join the citizens police academy, or don't engage in or associate with those involved in misdemeanor/criminal activity.
I feel pretty sure there are far more folks in Allen who have had more pleasant experiences with our police force than those who haven't. I'd hate to see that change and us become like Dallas, many times in the news about something going on...
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vm7mm
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09-22-11 08:46 AM - Post#139438
In response to Dagwood
They were both of legal age to drink and I forgot to mention that their car was searched and towed also.
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Al C
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09-22-11 09:25 AM - Post#139439
In response to vm7mm
They were both of legal age to drink and I forgot to mention that their car was searched and towed also.
On what grounds? Sounds like these two officers overstepped their authority in the case. That, or we're not hearing the complete story.
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vm7mm
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09-22-11 09:44 AM - Post#139444
In response to Al C
The way I heard it is the way I wrote it, I do not know any more than that right now. When I learn of more, I will post more.
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Al C
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09-22-11 12:36 PM - Post#139451
In response to vm7mm
The way I heard it is the way I wrote it, I do not know any more than that right now. When I learn of more, I will post more.
Understood. Any further info would be interesting.
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vm7mm
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09-22-11 01:36 PM - Post#139454
In response to Dagwood
First, when emotion overcomes someone, there's a tendency to exaggerate (one way or the other) stories when they're told to others.
What you state above is from another person's "experience." Were all details stated during the conversation between you and the neighbor? You say "long story short." Sure there are other important details in what's being cut short. One can only wonder...
What are your personal experiences with the APD?
What is the purpose of your post above? To strike up another negative conversation about the very people who are looking out to protect you, all based on a pleasant lady's experience, who wasn't having a very good day?
I'm curious to know how many of the complaints against a police officer or the department have actually been addressed through the proper chain of command, instead of merely discussing the incident on a forum such as this, or with neighbors around us.
I'm also curious to know what the history is behind those (the pleasant lady, her son, and his roommate) with such unfortunate experiences -- past criminal offenses, jail time, etc? Some who have that type of background, regardless of number of offenses or level of severety, would be the ones to express this type of disgust. I said some, not all...
Just curious...
You sure ask a lot of QUESTIONS!
Is your wife's name Blondie?
Do you have a dog named Daisy?
Is the name of your mailman, Mr. Beasley?
Is Alexander the name of your oldest child?
Is Cookie the name of your youngest child?
Is Mr. Dithers your Boss?
Just curious...
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mgrayar
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09-22-11 02:48 PM - Post#139460
In response to vm7mm
My guess would be, and this is a big guess, that the keys were in the ignition if the radio was playing. Sounds like the kids got off a little easier than they could have. It is my understanding that keys in the ignition and car within sight can serve as probable cause for a DUI arrest. It may not stick, and BAC would be tested, but these kids made a very bad choice.
In also assuming that they were also in violation of noise ordinances. If they could hear it from outside the car, it was probably too loud for that time of night.
Too much here to really know what happened.
Ps. Al C, forget family sized, it's more like Costco sized.
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09-22-11 03:26 PM - Post#139466
In response to vm7mm
First, when emotion overcomes someone, there's a tendency to exaggerate (one way or the other) stories when they're told to others.
What you state above is from another person's "experience." Were all details stated during the conversation between you and the neighbor? You say "long story short." Sure there are other important details in what's being cut short. One can only wonder...
What are your personal experiences with the APD?
What is the purpose of your post above? To strike up another negative conversation about the very people who are looking out to protect you, all based on a pleasant lady's experience, who wasn't having a very good day?
I'm curious to know how many of the complaints against a police officer or the department have actually been addressed through the proper chain of command, instead of merely discussing the incident on a forum such as this, or with neighbors around us.
I'm also curious to know what the history is behind those (the pleasant lady, her son, and his roommate) with such unfortunate experiences -- past criminal offenses, jail time, etc? Some who have that type of background, regardless of number of offenses or level of severety, would be the ones to express this type of disgust. I said some, not all...
Just curious...
You sure ask a lot of QUESTIONS!
Is your wife's name Blondie?
Do you have a dog named Daisy?
Is the name of your mailman, Mr. Beasley?
Is Alexander the name of your oldest child?
Is Cookie the name of your youngest child?
Is Mr. Dithers your Boss?
Just curious...
Personal attacks and flaming are not allowed and they are defined as comments that reflect upon a person instead of their opinion. Let's please get back on track.
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vm7mm
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09-22-11 04:05 PM - Post#139468
In response to Webmaster
Sorry, but does this not reflect upon me?
Quote from Dagwood, "What are your personal experiences with the APD?"
Edited by vm7mm on 09-22-11 04:07 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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vm7mm
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09-22-11 04:19 PM - Post#139470
In response to mgrayar
My guess would be, and this is a big guess, that the keys were in the ignition if the radio was playing. Sounds like the kids got off a little easier than they could have. It is my understanding that keys in the ignition and car within sight can serve as probable cause for a DUI arrest. It may not stick, and BAC would be tested, but these kids made a very bad choice.
In also assuming that they were also in violation of noise ordinances. If they could hear it from outside the car, it was probably too loud for that time of night.
Too much here to really know what happened.
Ps. Al C, forget family sized, it's more like Costco sized.
How can they be booked for Public intoxication or DUI if they were never even given any sort of test? Maybe read again? The next time I see a block party going on, I should call APD and have all these people arrested for making a very bad choice.
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Edited by vm7mm on 09-22-11 04:26 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Happysarah
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09-22-11 06:45 PM - Post#139472
In response to vm7mm
It is always the same three bashing the APD. Someone had to have called in a complaint to get the APD to respond to the loud stereo. Surely ,the APD doesn't go around and randomly arrest people. There are several levels at the police level ( supervisors,administrator s) , then the court level ( clerks, prosecutor, judge), that would stand up and determine if the arrests were correct. ...... I bet the citizen that called the APD and watched the response went back to sleep happy knowing that the APD was there for them..... If they were drinking and about to drive their car, I for one am glad they did not get out on the road....Thanks APD for being there when we call.
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mgrayar
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09-22-11 07:39 PM - Post#139474
In response to vm7mm
My guess would be, and this is a big guess, that the keys were in the ignition if the radio was playing. Sounds like the kids got off a little easier than they could have. It is my understanding that keys in the ignition and car within sight can serve as probable cause for a DUI arrest. It may not stick, and BAC would be tested, but these kids made a very bad choice.
In also assuming that they were also in violation of noise ordinances. If they could hear it from outside the car, it was probably too loud for that time of night.
Too much here to really know what happened.
Ps. Al C, forget family sized, it's more like Costco sized.
How can they be booked for Public intoxication or DUI if they were never even given any sort of test? Maybe read again? The next time I see a block party going on, I should call APD and have all these people arrested for making a very bad choice.
PS.
My friend, I think it is you that needs to read better. I said in my post that they "could" have been booked for DUI if the keys were in the ignition and that would have required a follow-up BAC test.
I am pretty sure PI charges do not require BAC tests, I could be wrong though. It's happened before.
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