ID_007
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04-29-14 03:23 PM - Post#168105
I have a question about our tax funded / public $60M school stadium. This is not regarding the concrete issue that I have not heard any updates on in recent weeks, but more on what students / sports get to USE our tax funded / public $60M school stadium.
I heard that (prior to the concrete issue) the school decided that Varsity girls soccer could no longer use the stadium due to the operational cost. Can anyone confirm this?
My Allen vote is on the line.
Edited by ID_007 on 04-29-14 03:24 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Cheatham Parent
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04-29-14 03:47 PM - Post#168107
In response to ID_007
Never heard anything like that. I would contact the athletic director to find out.
I never seen/read about the school board taking any action against girls soccer playing at the stadium.
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acs0815
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04-29-14 03:51 PM - Post#168108
In response to ID_007
I'm not sure of the reasons, but they did move some or maybe all of the Varsity home games from the Allen Stadium to Old Eagle Stadium.
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Jeremy
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04-29-14 04:08 PM - Post#168109
In response to acs0815
I have not heard that but hope it is not true. The stadium, when open..., should be for all sports that play on a similar field. To explain... I don't see the basketball team every playing on the field. If it is good enough for boys soccer... it is good enough for girls soccer.
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acs0815
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04-29-14 05:01 PM - Post#168110
In response to Jeremy
My daughter went to the boys home soccer games at Ford and Curtis, so the boys weren't playing there either.
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chf
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04-29-14 08:21 PM - Post#168113
In response to acs0815
When were the games? The stadium has been shut down for all activities since February because of the cracking issues.
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acs0815
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04-29-14 10:30 PM - Post#168116
In response to chf
The season(s) for both started in January, but the notice of them moving the girls games came in the fall.
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ID_007
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04-30-14 02:51 PM - Post#168136
In response to acs0815
Thus far this is what I gather.
1. (Prior to our cracking issue) Varsity Boys and Girls Soccer games were moved out of our tax funded / public $60M school stadium to middle schools. The thought is the decision was made in 2013 sometime. (I would like to know who made the decision)
2. No one knows exactly why yet. Rumor is operational cost. Allen Athletic Director should know.
3. A majority of Allen voted for a bond that much of the spend was on our stadium for the STUDENTS not just FOOTBALL. The Stadium is Allen Football first, Allen Graduations and leasing it out to other schools. Where's the Jimmy Buffet Concerts? Remind me how the elected officials sold this bond!?!?
Did I capture the subject matter right - anything missing? I ask - Does the Allen Community think this is right?
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SB
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04-30-14 05:08 PM - Post#168139
In response to ID_007
Shouldn't operational cost be a consideration in location of athletic contests? Football fills the stadium and for some games could probably fill it half again. Attendance at soccer games allows a choice of venues for the games. A smaller venue would seem to accentuate the impact of a smaller crowd - in addition to being cheaper.
Jimmy Buffet concerts are over in Frisco where they have been since before the Eagle Stadium was built. :-)
It all sounds fine to me but then I don't have a soccer player itching to play in the stadium to challenge my point of view.
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StacyLynn624
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04-30-14 06:34 PM - Post#168140
In response to SB
When I was growing up, boys and girls soccer played in the football stadium, that held 9,000 people. There were no where near that many people in the stands, and they only had one concession stand open.
They don't need to have all of the gates open, all of the concession stands open, and all of the security for soccer that they would have a football games. So you wouldn't have the full expense for a soccer game that you would for a football game.
All of the teams that use a field should be in the stadium. That's what was presented at the bond election.
Edited by StacyLynn624 on 04-30-14 06:35 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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DrivinTooFast
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05-01-14 08:17 AM - Post#168154
In response to StacyLynn624
The stadium was certainly advertised as a multi-sport stadium to the voters. There are several sports that have their facilities under what is now known as "Frackin' Pogue" stadium. Obviously those are now on hold, but I would expect that the stadium could and SHOULD be used for as many sports as possible. Heck the chess team ought to be using the fields too for the amount of money per use the stadium cost tax payers.
Edited by DrivinTooFast on 05-01-14 08:17 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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ID_007
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05-01-14 11:55 AM - Post#168180
In response to DrivinTooFast
Operational Costs should be considered and "budgeted for"....its not like leadership doesn't know how much the lights will cost for an hour or two, multiplied by how many field home games we have scheduled. If our Varsity Field Sports (Boys and Girls) are not going to use it, why did we vote for the thing to be built??!? For FOOTBALL ONLY, for five (5) home games a year. Really - 60 Million Dollars!!! This is not a Professional franchise venue we're speaking about.
Now if leadership doesn't have a grip on operational costs then I question the Financial Planning folks. Then it becomes a much deeper issue given the amount of dollars they bring in.
For the itch remark: Why not have an itch to play in a 60M dollar stadium as a student of a High School that has it. If you play a varsity field sport that warrants it - why wouldn't you, your son, your daughter - want to.
Upon the Stadium reopening, if the fact comes to light leadership decided to move other field sports out of our tax funded stadium due to poor financial planning. I have a problem with that as should the Allen Community.
Let the Varsity Field Sports - Boys and Girls - play in the Stadium we voted for them. They sold it as a multisport stadium. Get the students back on the field.
Remember - your Allen vote counts for something. Maybe the next Bond or the re-election ambition won't go over so well.
BTW - any updates to when this cracking issue will be fixed?
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SB
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05-01-14 12:18 PM - Post#168185
In response to ID_007
My comment about costs was peripheral to my main point which was that some sports are better suited to a smaller venue. A soccer crowd might be so scattered in Eagle Stadium as compared to them being more concentrated in a smaller venue and seeming like a bigger crowd. It isn't like the other venues are pits, right?
It wasn't promoted as an ALL sports venue and the few pre construction articles about it that I found didn't mention soccer as an activity that the stadium would host.
Edited by SB on 05-01-14 12:22 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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StacyLynn624
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05-01-14 12:19 PM - Post#168186
In response to SB
Usually, at soccer games, the small crowd usually sits together near the mid field line. They aren't scattered about.
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ID_007
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05-01-14 12:54 PM - Post#168197
In response to SB
I guess you are an Allen resident okay with a FOOTBALL ONLY (Boys ONLY, 5 home game a year, Allen graduation, leasing out to other schools) $60 Million Stadium. You're the first voter I've exchanged words with as such.
BTW - the artificial grass has soccer markings on it. Thus soccer teams would use the field. So the plan was to be a multi-sport stadium.
The Allen Community can demand Change. If not in Athletic Policy. Then at the Board level.
Allen Votes count for something.
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Nutmeg
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05-01-14 02:22 PM - Post#168203
In response to ID_007
I think you might be barking up the wrong tree. I am pretty certain both teams have played in the stadium in the past. Obviously, no one played there this year and if you look at the soccer web site you'll see that all the schedules have been revised since they were first published.
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SB
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05-01-14 02:28 PM - Post#168204
In response to ID_007
I'm ok with the described situation because it doesn't deprive other sports teams of quality facilities. It doesn't sound like a bad situation, just one that you don't prefer. What I see are a bunch of un verified assumptions paired with an antagonism towards the school district administration and anyone who disagrees with you. Why not find the facts first, have some conversations with the proper people and then, if dissatisfied, launch a crusade to change things?
If I were a high school soccer player, my preference would be to play on real grass and in a venue where a small crowd fills a greater percentage of the seats. On occasion I'm sure Id want to play in the new stadium.
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RRRquilter
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05-01-14 02:47 PM - Post#168206
In response to SB
What I see are a bunch of un verified assumptions paired with an antagonism towards the school district administration and anyone who disagrees with you. Why not find the facts first, have some conversations with the proper people and then, if dissatisfied, launch a crusade to change things?
 
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ID_007
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05-01-14 02:53 PM - Post#168207
In response to SB
You're too funny SB...... I am trying to sort out the rumors get to the FACTS. Obviously - you missed that from my first comment or just don't care. Fair enough.
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RRRquilter
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05-01-14 02:55 PM - Post#168208
In response to RRRquilter
Why is this coming out after the end of the season? If there is a complaint, why now? Is it because there is an election? Odd.
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