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Username Post: City Council Special Election - December 2011        (Topic#18869)
pingpong 
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12-03-11 12:17 AM - Post#142943    
    In response to Elect Tommy Baril

We at our house voted for a candidate other than Tommy. We don't want a candidate who will use environmentalism to make decisions, especially when it has been revealed that green science is bogus and is a means to increase taxes and gain greater control and take away our liberties.

Tommy might win the popularity contest here on this forum and among well known Allen moderates who control this site, but we want more substance in a candidate on our city council.

 
Webmaster 
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12-03-11 01:49 PM - Post#142954    
    In response to pingpong

"well known Allen moderates who control this site"

Excuse me. Please explain if you can.

Web

Allen finds it on. . . Allen Online!


 
rw 
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Reg: 10-11-01

12-03-11 03:48 PM - Post#142956    
    In response to pingpong

  • pingpong Said:
We at our house voted for a candidate other than Tommy. We don't want a candidate who will use environmentalism to make decisions, especially when it has been revealed that green science is bogus and is a means to increase taxes and gain greater control and take away our liberties.

Tommy might win the popularity contest here on this forum and among well known Allen moderates who control this site, but we want more substance in a candidate on our city council.



Really? Environmentalism is your reason? Wow.


 
Al C 
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12-03-11 05:00 PM - Post#142957    
    In response to rw

  • rw Said:
  • pingpong Said:
We at our house voted for a candidate other than Tommy. We don't want a candidate who will use environmentalism to make decisions, especially when it has been revealed that green science is bogus and is a means to increase taxes and gain greater control and take away our liberties.

Tommy might win the popularity contest here on this forum and among well known Allen moderates who control this site, but we want more substance in a candidate on our city council.



Really? Environmentalism is your reason? Wow.




Methinks somebody read too much into Tommy's overall message.
Al C



 
texmomma 
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12-03-11 05:48 PM - Post#142958    
    In response to pingpong

It seems to me that his message focuses on fiscal responsibility and also emergency preparedness...things that are very important for the council to consider. There is very little about environmentalism in his platform, it certainly doesn't seem like a platform that would use it to spend more $$$...rather the opposite. And as far as your dig at webmaster...any candidate has total freedom to come onto the forum and do the same as Tommy has...how is that biased or controlling? Seems impartial to me, the other candidates simply have not taken advantage of it.




Edited by texmomma on 12-03-11 05:50 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Al C 
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12-03-11 06:06 PM - Post#142959    
    In response to pingpong

  • pingpong Said:
We at our house voted for a candidate other than Tommy. We don't want a candidate who will use environmentalism to make decisions, especially when it has been revealed that green science is bogus and is a means to increase taxes and gain greater control and take away our liberties.

Tommy might win the popularity contest here on this forum and among well known Allen moderates who control this site, but we want more substance in a candidate on our city council.



I'm sitting here wracking my brain trying to figure out how you came to this environmentalist slant in Tommy's campaign message. Care to share a little light on that for us?
Al C



 
Steffi 
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12-03-11 09:49 PM - Post#142961    
    In response to Al C

Tommy,
Could you explain what sustainable development and smart growth mean to you since you are a supporter? What is your opinion of Vision 2050?

 
Al C 
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12-03-11 11:49 PM - Post#142962    
    In response to Steffi

  • Quote:
“Vision 2050” is a landmark study commissioned by the World Business Center for Sustainable Development. Funded by 40 of the world’s leading corporations, including Weyerhaeuser and Boeing, its goal is to develop a portrait of global sustainability by the year 2050, and to describe the pathways to achieve it in all major areas, including agriculture, biodiversity, climate change, energy, health care, and transportation. John S. Adams, director of The Arbor Group, will moderate a discussion by speakers including Robert Horn of Stanford University; Gifford Pinchot, co-founder of the Bainbridge Graduate Institute; and representatives from Weyerhaeuser and Boeing. Presented by the Bainbridge Graduate Institute with The Arbor Group-UBS Financial Services Inc.



I think y'all are giving too much thought to this. Tommy is running for city council ... not a world leader position. His concern is for the growth of Allen ... not some one world order ideal.

The phrase "sustainable growth" can be applied to just about anything. Don't go off on a tangent over it.
Al C



 
Elect Tommy Baril 
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12-04-11 02:33 AM - Post#142964    
    In response to pingpong

Pingpong,

Howdy. I am sorry to hear that I did not receive votes from your house. It is unfortunate, though, that someone has apparently - intentionally or unintentionally – provided inaccurate information about me to you. With regards to “green science,” I do not know what that is much less make decisions based on it. In the future, if you have a question about my position on an issue, please contact me so that I can answer it since apparently someone is sadly providing you inaccurate information. Thank you.
God Bless! Gig 'em!

Tommy


 
Elect Tommy Baril 
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12-04-11 02:44 AM - Post#142965    
    In response to Steffi

Steffi,


Howdy. Thank you for your question re. “sustainable development.” As a point of clarification, I have talked about “smart and sustainable economic growth.” What does the term “sustainable” mean with regards to economic growth? To me, it is consistent with fiscal responsibility – which is another one of the priorities that I have talked about consistently. As a city, we should make economic decisions that consider both the short-term and long-term economic aspects. My family and I – like thousands of others – moved to Allen because it is a great place to live and work. Because of my love for Allen, I’d like to raise my family here for the next few decades – and who knows, maybe have my kids return with some grandkids. As such, I want to make sure that the decisions we make today make this just as much, if not more, of a great place to live and work 10, 20, 30 years from now. Yes, Allen has a number of shopping, dining, etc. locations today. I love them. However, what kind of place would Allen be if all of those businesses slowly disappear and we don’t replace them with new businesses from the next generation of small business owners? Again, it’s about looking long-term. Let me provide you an example to put this into perspective. As of this moment, we have at least 3 shopping centers that have significant vacancies – 2 former Albertsons stores and the former Brookshires store. The city of Allen has a choice – we can allow those buildings to sit empty, hurt the small businesses owners and employees who are a part of those complexes, and then eventually watch those areas deteriorate as additional businesses and residents move away from those “eye sores” or we can try to find solutions, such as businesses that could benefit from the infrastructure that is already in place. For example, Stacy’s Furniture moved into a building once occupied by K Mart and Express Fitness moved into the former Winn Dixie store. Let’s find more “Stacy’s” and “Express Fitnesses.” Imagine how wonderful it would be to have parking lots filled with cars in the 3 shopping centers because fellow Allen residents are either employed at those locations or they are doing business there. Again, let’s make Allen one of the nation’s best places to live and work in 2031 – as well as 2011.

With regards to Vision 2050, (1) I had not heard of it until you asked the question, (2) I can’t comment about it because I am not familiar with it, and (3) from what someone else pasted on the forum above, it is clearly not pertinent to the issues that we, as Allen residents, are dealing with and thus not be a focus of mine as a member of the City Council.

By the way, in case you haven’t had a chance to see it, yet, I addressed my thoughts re. smart and sustainable growth on a YouTube video that I created about a week ago (see http://youtu.be/_IKF3HuEtWE).

I hope this answers your questions. Thank you, again, for reaching out to me regarding an issue that was on your mind.
God Bless! Gig 'em!

Tommy


 
Barry_Hubris 
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12-04-11 01:34 PM - Post#142976    
    In response to Elect Tommy Baril

Just ignore the troll Tommy. They are obviously trying to ruffle feathers to get a cheap thrill.

Express Fitness building is now occupied by Texas Family Fitness.

 
Army Vet 
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12-04-11 08:48 PM - Post#142980    
    In response to Barry_Hubris

I have to agree with Ping Pong. Not for the environmental part just the overall fact that I too have cast a vote for another candidate.
Sorry to upset the apple cart but this forum does look like it is a little pro Tommy and not a fair forum for anyone else to have a different opinion. That is not Tommy’s fault it just seems like most of the people that are posting comments here are clearly part of the “ 3 F’s.” Friends, Family or Faith acquaintances. Many are quick to respond to others for having a different opinion about Tommy other than one that agrees with them, but with that in mind here is my opinion anyway.
I have been present and have listen to all of the candidates speak and watching all of them very closely. I am believer in that you should walk the walk before you talk the talk. Meaning you should serve first and work your way up the ranks.
Just yesterday ( Saturday )when I was driving through town I see some of the other candidates out installing more signs and passing out promotional information at the grocery store where I shop. I was on my way to the Allen High School to pick up my kid from the all day UIL event and I must share what I witnessed. I see Barbara McNutt in the school. She doesn’t know me so I walked down the hallway to see what the heck she is doing at the school, I then realize that the room that she is standing at is where I am going anyway. I am looking for my kid. I see no campaign buttons or any campaign items to be found on the table where she was working. My kid was in the room where she was located auditioning for the band directors.
I then noticed that she is holding a clip board. I approached her and I thought for a moment that she must be campaigning and has something on the clip board. I couldn’t have been more wrong. She was holding a list of names for the kids that were trying out and organizing 70 some odd students that day. She said it has been busy all day and she had been there since 9:00am that morning. She was at the school volunteering without a campaign button or even speaking about the whole election to anyone. I asked her what was she doing there at the school and shouldn’t she be out campaigning and putting out signs or something. She replied, “This is what I do, I volunteer, I serve.” And then went on to get the next person in the room and back to business as usual. She was being polite and wishing everyone good luck but it was all about the school not about her. I was impressed to say the least. The last thing that I wanted was a sales pitch and she didn’t offer one.
I think that Tommy is a good Father, a good Family man, and a man of good Faith and with that being said I too am from the same faith as Tommy. I personally have met him and he is a good guy, but that is not what this is about. This is about Allen City Council, not about father of the year or who has the most signs up in town.
We as voters need to put some thought into this and vote someone in office that has a clear understanding of the city. A candidate that we all think can best serve us all as a city voice. Someone who understands businesses and how to help work the Allen Economic development board to brings in quality businesses to Allen that will keep our tax dollars down and job growth up.
I got to add one more thing to this list. We need an individual that clearing understands the difference between the School Board, and the City Board. For those that don’t understand what that comment is about it is not about Tommy. One of the other candidates seems to be confused about what office he is running for. Promise what you like but if you have them drinking that Kool-Aid boy are some folks going to be disappointed when this is all over.

I want someone with experience and a good existing understanding of how this city already functions. The only way you can get this is to have worked in the many different levels of this city and served already. This is just like any other job interview. The best qualified and who we all think can do this job the best for Allen and the people in it.
Tommy, you got to stop with “The Sky is Falling, The Sky is Falling.” You do know just last month City of Allen worked with a readiness team who worked all weekend on an exercise on what to do if and when something ever happens. One of the citizens of Allen donated his warehouse to be used to help with this task. Allen is READY and prepared as much as you can be if the crap ever hits the fan.
As voters we all have a big responsibility do what is best for us as a community to elect who is the best qualified for the job to work with the people who are in place and to bring this city to another level.
There is only one person that is running that has a long history of experience in this city and comparing to everyone else it is embarrassing how little all of the others have been involved at any level of this city. I think some just woke up one day and decided to run for City Council. Why not Mayor ? Maybe that is next who knows? I am casting my vote for Barbara McNutt and would strongly recommend that everyone else think long and hard before you look any other direction other than hers. I think that we would all benefit from it. Barbara McNutt, someone that is walking the walk, not just talking the talk.


 
texmomma 
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12-04-11 11:16 PM - Post#143005    
    In response to Army Vet

Al,
You do make some good points. I too was up at the high school yesterday, working alongside Barbara as I have before. She is a terrific lady, and one I would be happy to have on the council.

As it happens, I also know Luke and Baine from church. They are also very nice men, great fathers, business men and family men, and have the interest of Allen at heart. All 4 of these people have a history of serving in various ways- through sports, scouting, church, band. And several of them have served time on city committees as well.

I spoke up for Tommy initially because he posted on this forum, and someone brought his sincerity into question. I felt it important to speak up as a friend of Tommy's. I did this in his defense, but made a point of it not to speak negatively of any of the other candidates. None of the other candidates' characters were being questioned, so I didn't speak to that. I responded again when ping pong totally misconstrued Tommy's platform.

That said, I looked at the issues and made my decision who to vote for. I personally would be proud to have any of these 4 people serving on our council.

I have no personal knowledge of Ron Alexander, but don't have anything negative to say about him either. Most of the discussion here has been about Tommy simply because he is the only candidate who has posted here.



 
Al C 
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12-05-11 09:32 AM - Post#143008    
    In response to Army Vet

  • Army Vet Said:
I have to agree with Ping Pong. Not for the environmental part just the overall fact that I too have cast a vote for another candidate.
Sorry to upset the apple cart but this forum does look like it is a little pro Tommy and not a fair forum for anyone else to have a different opinion. That is not Tommy’s fault it just seems like most of the people that are posting comments here are clearly part of the “ 3 F’s.” Friends, Family or Faith acquaintances. Many are quick to respond to others for having a different opinion about Tommy other than one that agrees with them, but with that in mind here is my opinion anyway.
I have been present and have listen to all of the candidates speak and watching all of them very closely. I am believer in that you should walk the walk before you talk the talk. Meaning you should serve first and work your way up the ranks.
Just yesterday ( Saturday )when I was driving through town I see some of the other candidates out installing more signs and passing out promotional information at the grocery store where I shop. I was on my way to the Allen High School to pick up my kid from the all day UIL event and I must share what I witnessed. I see Barbara McNutt in the school. She doesn’t know me so I walked down the hallway to see what the heck she is doing at the school, I then realize that the room that she is standing at is where I am going anyway. I am looking for my kid. I see no campaign buttons or any campaign items to be found on the table where she was working. My kid was in the room where she was located auditioning for the band directors.
I then noticed that she is holding a clip board. I approached her and I thought for a moment that she must be campaigning and has something on the clip board. I couldn’t have been more wrong. She was holding a list of names for the kids that were trying out and organizing 70 some odd students that day. She said it has been busy all day and she had been there since 9:00am that morning. She was at the school volunteering without a campaign button or even speaking about the whole election to anyone. I asked her what was she doing there at the school and shouldn’t she be out campaigning and putting out signs or something. She replied, “This is what I do, I volunteer, I serve.” And then went on to get the next person in the room and back to business as usual. She was being polite and wishing everyone good luck but it was all about the school not about her. I was impressed to say the least. The last thing that I wanted was a sales pitch and she didn’t offer one.
I think that Tommy is a good Father, a good Family man, and a man of good Faith and with that being said I too am from the same faith as Tommy. I personally have met him and he is a good guy, but that is not what this is about. This is about Allen City Council, not about father of the year or who has the most signs up in town.
We as voters need to put some thought into this and vote someone in office that has a clear understanding of the city. A candidate that we all think can best serve us all as a city voice. Someone who understands businesses and how to help work the Allen Economic development board to brings in quality businesses to Allen that will keep our tax dollars down and job growth up.
I got to add one more thing to this list. We need an individual that clearing understands the difference between the School Board, and the City Board. For those that don’t understand what that comment is about it is not about Tommy. One of the other candidates seems to be confused about what office he is running for. Promise what you like but if you have them drinking that Kool-Aid boy are some folks going to be disappointed when this is all over.

I want someone with experience and a good existing understanding of how this city already functions. The only way you can get this is to have worked in the many different levels of this city and served already. This is just like any other job interview. The best qualified and who we all think can do this job the best for Allen and the people in it.
Tommy, you got to stop with “The Sky is Falling, The Sky is Falling.” You do know just last month City of Allen worked with a readiness team who worked all weekend on an exercise on what to do if and when something ever happens. One of the citizens of Allen donated his warehouse to be used to help with this task. Allen is READY and prepared as much as you can be if the crap ever hits the fan.
As voters we all have a big responsibility do what is best for us as a community to elect who is the best qualified for the job to work with the people who are in place and to bring this city to another level.
There is only one person that is running that has a long history of experience in this city and comparing to everyone else it is embarrassing how little all of the others have been involved at any level of this city. I think some just woke up one day and decided to run for City Council. Why not Mayor ? Maybe that is next who knows? I am casting my vote for Barbara McNutt and would strongly recommend that everyone else think long and hard before you look any other direction other than hers. I think that we would all benefit from it. Barbara McNutt, someone that is walking the walk, not just talking the talk.




Good on ya, Vet! Everyone should vote for who they think would best represent Allen ... no doubt about it.

I'm familiar with a lot of the names on this forum and have known Tommy for a few years. I can say with a fair amount of confidence that only a couple of us on this topic know him personally. So not everyone here is part of the 3f gang.

Tommy has served first. He's been heavily involved in this community since the day his family moved here.

And regarding the environmental thing ... that's just a tangent that someone went on in this forum. It doesn't hold water. I think it has something to do with the sustainable growth thing. Seems that phrase is big in the global warming alarmists circles ... I think.

Al C



 
vrs 
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vrs
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12-05-11 07:46 PM - Post#143038    
    In response to Al C

When all was said and done, I voted for Barbara McNutt.

Maybe this is perceived as a "Vote Tommy" thread because he is the only candidate who has participated here. It was certainly a choice made by each candidate - don't know about the forum, not sure there are votes to be had out here, not sure.

I know Tommy personally and it is hard for me to imagine a finer person. It was tough to vote another way. But I looked at all five candidates through several lenses and Barbara rose to the top with me.

In making my decision I considered what I knew of a person directly or what other people whose judgment I trust thought of them. That did not help much. As I said, I know Tommy personally and Ron Rodenbaugh is Tommy's campaign treasurer. Rob Vardeman is Luke Hollingsworth's. ET Boon is listed on Baine Brooke's endorsement list. Rob Wendland is Barbara McNutt's. I am sure I would not have to look far to find a distinguished endorsement name for Ron Alexander.

Then I looked at professional experience. Barbara has experience both in corporate America and also as a small local businessperson - a terrific combination of perspectives.

Community involvement. All of the candidates have some measure of community service. However, a couple have actually served on City Boards and seen some of the inside of City government. Additionally, Barbara completed Leadership Allen - a year long commitment to learn more about the City and also to participate in a group service project. That's an impressive note on her campaign resume.

Barbara got bonus points with me for the extent of her involvement with the AISD as a volunteer also (including Escadrille fundraising chair). I think the relationship capital she enjoys in AISD will be an asset any time the entire community will benefit from joint efforts (in the new stadium or performing arts center for example) between City and AISD.

I considered the issues different candidates chose to highlight while they had the bully pulpit of the campaign. No one councilmember can set the agenda for the entire group, of course, but it is an indicator to me of their clarity of vision (according to me, of course!) about the direction of energy for government planning. Attracting jobs and addressing transportation are high on my list.

Finally, I looked at voter history. I want to know that a person has been participating in political process in the community at least to the minimal extent of troubling to vote in City and School elections. I have never been comfortable voting for a candidate whose first local vote is the one with his or her name on the ballot. Barbara is just one election short of a perfect voting history in City and School elections. Obviously I have no idea HOW she votes, but I do know THAT she votes.

If I had a criterion for participation in this forum, Tommy obviously would win that one hands down.

When I was done, Barbara McNutt was the clear choice for me.

The City will be well served by any of these candidates and there is only one seat open. I certainly hope the others will not be discouraged from standing for office in the future. The commitment to serve is made when a person puts his/her name on the ballot - not when the votes are counted. I certainly appreciate all five candidates and I tried very hard to give my decision about how to vote the consideration these candidates deserve.

Blessed be the cracked, for they let in the light.


 
AllenConsumer 
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12-06-11 08:52 PM - Post#143063    
    In response to vrs

I voted for one of the Ag family, Tommy. I can only assume he is like most and has apathy in the local elections. For the most part we've had things go pretty well in our city so I can see why most don't vote in the local elections. He's been the only one on this forum and I'm sure Barbara and the others had heard about this free online medium of exposure. I want a smart and innovative thinker. Tommy is the guy.

 
vrs 
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vrs
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Reg: 04-20-00

12-07-11 12:04 AM - Post#143068    
    In response to AllenConsumer

Just one note - If you read my post again I think you will see I did not post anyone's voting record save Barbara's. I noted that her record is near perfect and that if it were not, that would be a showstopper for me. If anyone wants to look up the voting records of the other four candidates, they are public record. I am not posting them.

As for excusing rampant voter apathy in Allen because things are going well, you are probably correct. The City enjoys government of a far higher caliber than 97.5% of its voters deserve.

That said, I have a nephew who served one tour of duty on the ground in Bosnia followed by three more in Iraq. Ask a soldier what "rolling soft" means. Another spent time on a flattop in the Persian Gulf flying missions over Afghanistan. I have a brother who lives a life in constant back pain because of the land mine his jeep hit along the DMZ in Korea.

I am not religious (bordering on fanatic) about voting because I delude myself that Allen won't run just fine without me - I vote because people who serve deserve to have their sacrifices honored with active citizenship. It's the least we can do - really, the very least.

Guns Up!

PS - It occurs to me that my "Guns Up!" might be misunderstood in the context of my post. It's a Texas Tech thing, equivalent to the Aggie "Gig 'em"
Blessed be the cracked, for they let in the light.


Edited by vrs on 12-07-11 09:10 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Steve Duke 
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12-07-11 08:46 AM - Post#143072    
    In response to pingpong

I am a personel friend of Tommy for 8 years now. I talked to him at church the othe day and he was very upset about the slanderous statement you have made. Posting tripe like that without even talking to the candidate and posting under a private little fake name, so no one can see who you are, should be a clue to everyone that its sabotage. Grow a backbone

 
Dagwood 
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12-07-11 09:09 AM - Post#143073    
    In response to vrs

Does anyone know anything about Ron Alexander? Call me a non-progressive, but I like his stand against DART coming through Allen (even though it may be inevitable in the future). I just want to know other things he's for/against for Allen...

 
vrs 
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vrs
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12-07-11 09:21 AM - Post#143074    
    In response to Dagwood

Here is his website. There is an "Ask Ron" email link on it so you can ask him yourself!

http://ron4allen.com/About_Ron.html

Blessed be the cracked, for they let in the light.


 
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