MissingChico
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03-23-12 10:23 AM - Post#146968
Personally, I'm anxious to see the result of this investigation, however I am not holding my breath. In my opinion, this is what happens when we let the NRA write legislation for Republicans to rubber stamp. The GOP has been curiously silent on the subject, I wonder what their PR firm will draw up for a talking point. I'm sure the GOP will be "victimized" somehow.
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carygold
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03-23-12 10:49 AM - Post#146969
In response to MissingChico
The weirdest thing was that two nights ago I tuned in to Sean Hannity to see the Fox opinion on this issue and Hannity, at least for the 3-5 minutes I watched, seamed to be on the side of the Parents of the victim. I was shocked...
A friend of mine told me yesterday that she had to tell her 12 year old son this is still possible in the US. Its possible for a young black man to be minding his own business and be profiled as a criminal because of the color of his skin and then be shot for little more than being Black. An African American in the White House does not mean anyone is any safer.
The whole legal system in Sanford Florida is in need of repair. This is the second incident in Sanford where a person is not arrested that committed a crime. The son of a Sanford police lieutenant hit a man in a bar was thrown out of the bar, hit a person walking down the street, then hit a homeless man and broke his nose, but he was not arrested.
Cop's Son Caught in Videotaped Assault
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MissingChico
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03-23-12 12:11 PM - Post#146970
In response to carygold
FOX NEWS Geraldo Rivera blames the kid for wearing a hoodie. No mention of the law that essentially gives a person a license to kill.
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Maringa
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03-23-12 12:35 PM - Post#146971
In response to MissingChico
I think the 911 tapes are not going to be too kind to Mr. Zimmerman (who by the way comes from a multi-cultural, Hispanic background). It will be important to see how this plays out and is used by both political spectrum...one for racial tension, and one for gun control...
Mr. Zimmerman should have minded his own business, and called 911, reported anything suspicious and let the law enforcement handle this.
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Joe Schirmer
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03-23-12 01:55 PM - Post#146976
In response to Maringa
Mr. Zimmerman should have minded his own business, and called 911, reported anything suspicious and let the law enforcement handle this.
He did call 911, but unfortunately he decided to poke his nose where it didn't belong.
It is things like this which make a good case against things like Flordia's Stand You Ground Law.
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MissingChico
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03-23-12 02:27 PM - Post#146979
In response to Joe Schirmer
Mr. Zimmerman should have minded his own business, and called 911, reported anything suspicious and let the law enforcement handle this.
He did call 911, but unfortunately he decided to poke his nose where it didn't belong.
It is things like this which make a good case against things like Flordia's Stand You Ground Law.
I agree with both of you and add one additional thing. Anything from the 911 recordings that look bad for this shooter will look equally as bad for this police department who has yet to make the inevitable arrest. If these tapes really do damn the shooter, then what motivated this police department to attempt sweeping this under the rug? My assumption was they clearly did not understand the magnitude and resentment this action would cause. The internet has made it very difficult for the good-ole-boy police agencies to turn a blind eye to this kind of thing.
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allensince1979
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03-23-12 02:31 PM - Post#146980
In response to MissingChico
This is such a heartbreaking story and shows us that the mindset of a lot of people in the south has not changed since the 1930's. I hope justice will be served for the sake of this family and to show people that it is NOT ok to whip your gun out and shoot everytime you see someone you are suspicios of.
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carygold
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03-23-12 03:46 PM - Post#146983
In response to allensince1979
President Obama, spoke on this today, I'll be interested to see if Fox News finds away to turn this against the Obama Administration.
Stay Tuned...
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Joe Schirmer
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03-23-12 04:47 PM - Post#146988
In response to MissingChico
Anything from the 911 recordings that look bad for this shooter will look equally as bad for this police department who has yet to make the inevitable arrest. If these tapes really do damn the shooter, then what motivated this police department to attempt sweeping this under the rug? My assumption was they clearly did not understand the magnitude and resentment this action would cause. The internet has made it very difficult for the good-ole-boy police agencies to turn a blind eye to this kind of thing.
From what I understand the police chief really felt his arms were tied due to Florida’s Stand Your Ground Law. It doesn't matter how many people are upset or what the magnitude of resentment is of the situation, the rule of law must be followed.
Now if we find out that there were legal grounds to arrest Mr. Zimmerman for murder then his head will most likely roll (metaphorically speaking).
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allensince1979
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03-23-12 05:41 PM - Post#146989
In response to Joe Schirmer
I really thnk if this young boy had been white and middle class that Mr. Zimmerman would have already been arrested. They would have already found a way around the law. Bottom line is he had the gun and made the decision to shoot.
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lostyankee
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03-23-12 05:46 PM - Post#146990
In response to allensince1979
I disagree... I think the sentiments HAVE changed a lot, and that's why this case is such an outrage. Emmitt Till and no reaction has risen to the outrage we see here. Is racism gone? No, but it's dramatically improved IMO.
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lostyankee
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03-23-12 05:53 PM - Post#146992
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And where is the hue and cry for this child?
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03-23-12 07:22 PM - Post#146993
In response to Joe Schirmer
Anything from the 911 recordings that look bad for this shooter will look equally as bad for this police department who has yet to make the inevitable arrest. If these tapes really do damn the shooter, then what motivated this police department to attempt sweeping this under the rug? My assumption was they clearly did not understand the magnitude and resentment this action would cause. The internet has made it very difficult for the good-ole-boy police agencies to turn a blind eye to this kind of thing.
From what I understand the police chief really felt his arms were tied due to Florida’s Stand Your Ground Law. It doesn't matter how many people are upset or what the magnitude of resentment is of the situation, the rule of law must be followed.
Now if we find out that there were legal grounds to arrest Mr. Zimmerman for murder then his head will most likely roll (metaphorically speaking).
The authors of the Florida law have said that the law as written does not apply to Zimmerman, and that he should have been arrested. http://www.cbsnews.com
It is the fact that Zimmerman ignored the 911 operator's advice not to follow Martin that former Sen. Peaden says disqualifies him from claiming self-defense under the law.
"The guy lost his defense right then," Peaden told the Miami Herald. "When he said 'I'm following him,' he lost his defense."
Rep. Dennis Baxley, Peaden's co-sponsor in the Florida House, agrees with his former colleague, telling the newspaper that the law does not license neighborhood watch or others who feel "like they have the authority to pursue and confront people. That is aggravating an incident right there."
So, either the police chief was ignorant of the law or chose to ignore it. Either way, he, and probably many of the other officers in the department, should be fired and never work in law enforcement again.
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03-23-12 08:55 PM - Post#146994
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Who cares about fox news? It has no bearing what they do. This is a sad case and a guilty man should pay.
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03-23-12 10:05 PM - Post#146997
In response to lostyankee
The fact is that if the boy had not been black and wearing a hoodie Mr. Zimmerman would not have felt threatened and shot him.
When you choose to carry a guy around and take it upon yourself to shoot someone in the back because you don't like how they look I just feel you should pay the price.
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03-23-12 10:45 PM - Post#147003
In response to carygold
President Obama, spoke on this today, I'll be interested to see if Fox News finds away to turn this against the Obama Administration.
Stay Tuned...
Probably will depend on what Mr. O said, or thought he needed to say.
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03-24-12 09:16 AM - Post#147009
In response to MissingChico
It's my bet that the shooter will be arrested and tried. It's also my bet that the incident will not die, just b/c an arrest was made. Why? (Here's the GOP talking point)....This shooting is the PERFECT example of what liberals believe about whites, southerners, and gun control. It's all tied up in a tidy little bow for them. Now they can say, "See, we TOLD you there are southern racists shooting young black men."
In reply to LostYankee's post about the white kid being set on fire, and the potential for a Hate Crimes charge; this is not a story that the main stream media is comfortable telling. So, they just don't report on it. It doesn't "prove" anything of substance, it doesn't further their agenda. Basically, it just doesn't have any political teeth.
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carygold
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03-24-12 01:14 PM - Post#147014
In response to lostyankee
You made the comment that racism is better and in general you are correct. However, it still remains that on the streets young black men are pursued more often and for little or no reason, much more than white kids. For small infractions in school black kids are punished more than white kids. Drug crimes blacks are imprisoned more than whites, for the same level of crime.
For you to post a report of a potentially deadly dispute between teens as in need of comparable outcry shows you don't really understand the daily risk to black men in this country. You don't see the law that should protect an innocent young black man was not there for him, even in an obvious wrongful death situation... the law was not there for him. The law was not there for the parents either.
Trayvon Martin was pursued by a man with a gun, for being black. The man was told to stop following Trayvon on foot by a 911 operator. The police did nothing, except examine the black kid's body for drug use, or intoxication, they did what they could to protect the shooter. For THREE DAYS they did not notify the parents their son was dead, in spite of the parents reporting to the police their son was missing. Three Days. The son had a cell phone with "Dad" on the contacts list, there is no excuse for this delay.
To bring up an attack on a white kid allegedly by black teens as race was not mentioned in the video, is wrong. The two situations are not comprable in any way.
BTW only in the blogs does it say the words "white boy" were used, not in the video did anyone use those words and not in the Kansas City Police Report did anyone use those words. The Kansas city police are saying this is not a hate crime either.
And in the Police report the gas can was knocked over and the kids fell into the gas, it was not poured on the kid. I wonder if the blogs are not trying to make this a bigger issue.
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lostyankee
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03-24-12 01:15 PM - Post#147015
In response to allensince1979
Oh please. Paranoia at its finest. You have no way to prove this. How many black men in hoodies walk around and get shot? One comes to mind. This guy is just an example of an overzealous moron. Hate exists all over (as my other link suggests) but to make such a preposterous claim...
Sure racism still exists, but it's not only a southern issue. The fact that there is outrage from all quarters proves your point false even more. As I mentioned, go back 40 years and examine the Emmitt Till case. Now fast forward to today.
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allensince1979
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03-24-12 04:55 PM - Post#147020
In response to lostyankee
Oh please. Paranoia at its finest. You have no way to prove this. How many black men in hoodies walk around and get shot? One comes to mind. This guy is just an example of an overzealous moron. Hate exists all over (as my other link suggests) but to make such a preposterous claim...
Sure racism still exists, but it's not only a southern issue. The fact that there is outrage from all quarters proves your point false even more. As I mentioned, go back 40 years and examine the Emmitt Till case. Now fast forward to today.
This is exactly what I'm trying to say. This guy was an overzealous moron, he saw a black kid walking around in a hoodie, it freaked him out he became paranoid and shot, those are the facts. Do you think if it had been a white kid same age he would have shot? I really don't think so. You are right racism does still exist all over this country. It just seems to be more associated with the south.
Edited by allensince1979 on 03-24-12 05:00 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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