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04-03-12 12:13 PM - Post#147582
In response to Jeremy
When did Obama’s re-election come into this?
You will have to read the link posted by asmile4u...
http://www.allenonline.com/fusionbb/showpost.php?p...
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04-03-12 12:57 PM - Post#147586
In response to carygold
I've also notice in reviewing previous postings by you going back months, you read an article, but then change it around to attack the poster, as if the poster wrote the article. In this case, former NAACP leader C.L. Bryant made the comments connecting Martin and Sharpton and Obama's re-election. After all, it was Obama who made the comment something to the nature of "If I had a son, he would be just like Trayvon." Coincidental connection made by Mr. Bryant. By the way, I'm fairly certain if he is a previous leader of the NAACP, he is probably afro-american, so you can drop the racial overtone comments. It is you, not others, who continues to play the race card, even when if doesn't apply.
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04-03-12 05:15 PM - Post#147628
In response to asmile4u
I've also notice in reviewing previous postings by you going back months, you read an article, but then change it around to attack the poster, as if the poster wrote the article. In this case, former NAACP leader C.L. Bryant made the comments connecting Martin and Sharpton and Obama's re-election. After all, it was Obama who made the comment something to the nature of "If I had a son, he would be just like Trayvon." Coincidental connection made by Mr. Bryant. By the way, I'm fairly certain if he is a previous leader of the NAACP, he is probably afro-american, so you can drop the racial overtone comments. It is you, not others, who continues to play the race card, even when if doesn't apply.
You made the comment to me for not being outraged about several other deaths... to me. Not Mr. Bryant. Then you used Mr. Bryant's words to continue your attack, for what?
You are reducing the value of one life, by pointing at all the others. You are reducing the argument over a particular issue, by using black deaths in other cities. I don't care who said it...You posted it as if it was your opinion. Even your words were divisive and hateful.
Look at what you said...
http://www.allenonline.com/fusionbb/showpost.php?p...
I searched but couldn't find where you were as much outraged about 49 murdered in Chicago in one weekend, including a 6 year old little girl caught in a crossfire between two rival gangs.
Don't blame others for your own comments...directed at me.
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04-03-12 05:29 PM - Post#147629
In response to carygold
I simply made an observation for which you never responded to. You complicated the issue with racial overtones. You were the one who took the offensive, which makes it difficult to have a discussion with you. You take everything to personal young man.
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04-04-12 08:44 AM - Post#147662
In response to asmile4u
If you do research you may find I have not talked about the starvation in the Sudan, the slaughter in Syria, the Officers that are killed in the line of duty, or the other 5 or so black youths killed by police, some in their own homes.
If I go by your comments I have to first have a complete listing of protests against any unfair deaths or killings before I can talk about this one.
Its a distraction. And that's what people on the right do very often. Add hyperbole to the conversation to the point that people forget what the conversation was about. They want to argue unrelated topics to distract from one that has a good point.
Well, a man with a gun chased down a teen while telling the police the teen looks like he is on drugs (which he was not), and is acting suspicious (based on who's opinion?). The teen is shot to death. The State's attorney's office said, let the man with the gun go, he was standing his ground.
Now, with that precedent set, all I have to do is follow someone around get then to take a swing at me and I am within my rights to shoot them. Add neighborhood watch and a CHL and I have a license to kill without a trial.
That is my argument from the start, we don't need armed vigilantes roaming the streets with guns. We don't need laws that allow one person to shoot another without a trial. If Zimmerman is not prosecuted or even arrested, then IMO we are back to the wild west attitudes about killing with a gun.
Am I not able to make that argument without first having to talk about every unjust killing on the planet?
After all it was the topic of this thread.
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04-04-12 12:19 PM - Post#147687
In response to carygold
By your explanation and passionate reply, I can see how you may have misinterpreted my post. I was simply trying to make a point. I'll try to be more careful.
My apologies.
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04-05-12 08:15 AM - Post#147735
In response to asmile4u
By your explanation and passionate reply, I can see how you may have misinterpreted my post. I was simply trying to make a point. I'll try to be more careful.
My apologies.
No apology is necessary, but thank you. And I'm sorry for my passionate approach.
Say what you want to say and I'll say what I want to say. As long as we don't call each other names, we are making progress. I know, I have failed at not getting personal... but I'm trying.
Exchanging idea's is how we learn what other people think and feel.
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04-05-12 08:45 AM - Post#147738
In response to carygold
By your explanation and passionate reply, I can see how you may have misinterpreted my post. I was simply trying to make a point. I'll try to be more careful.
My apologies.
No apology is necessary, but thank you. And I'm sorry for my passionate approach.
Say what you want to say and I'll say what I want to say. As long as we don't call each other names, we are making progress. I know, I have failed at not getting personal... but I'm trying.
Exchanging idea's is how we learn what other people think and feel.
I'd just like to commend EVERYONE here. Web has obviously made a conscious effort not to get involved in these heated debates and the people here have managed to vent passionately, gotten personal, angry, etc and yet we get up off the floor and shake hands. This has been a great topic to watch unfold. Thanks web, for letting this go full circle.
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04-05-12 12:44 PM - Post#147748
In response to asmile4u
The Election is now in play....The Rev Jesse Jackson is calling on voters to wear their hoodie to the polling places.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/04/ 05/J...
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04-05-12 02:52 PM - Post#147752
In response to Allenite
Sad, but inevitable,that such a tragedy is being used for whatever political gain or motivation it may provide for the democratic party cause in the re-election of Obama.
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04-05-12 08:18 PM - Post#147762
In response to asmile4u
Jesse Jackson is an old school activist. His rhetoric will be stronger than many others today. If you all will remember Jackson was not too happy with Obama in the last election, because he did not think Obama was being tough enough.
This kind of rhetoric is not new for him whether you agree with him or not...
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04-05-12 09:02 PM - Post#147764
In response to carygold
Does that mean its ok? I don't hear you defending rhetoric of old GOPers.
Divisive talk is divisive talk, no matter the mouth that spews it.
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04-05-12 09:49 PM - Post#147766
In response to mgrayar
Jesse Jackson is a clown. Who cares what he says.
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asmile4u
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04-05-12 10:54 PM - Post#147767
In response to lostyankee
Jesse Jackson is a clown. Who cares what he says.
Sadly there are way too many who still listen to him and Sharpton and the like. In my opinion, agree or not, their agendas are old school and create tension and further widen the racial gap. In many ways, in this day and time, their words have set back racial equality, instead of moving it forward.
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04-05-12 11:18 PM - Post#147768
In response to mgrayar
Does that mean its ok? I don't hear you defending rhetoric of old GOPers.
Divisive talk is divisive talk, no matter the mouth that spews it.
I'm not defending him I talking about how he feels. I can tell you many African American's see the deaths of young black men that get no police attention as moving backwards or at least the same treatment as in the Jim Crow days.
Although many white people feel equality was achieved when Obama was elected to office, I can tell you that most African American's do not feel that way. Sure it was a great step forward, but many Black families still tell their sons that one wrong move around the police can get them killed, even if they have done nothing wrong.
If you don't live that life you can't understand it. I have been refused service at a gas station because the person with me was black, they turned off the pumps inside the station and told us to go away. That was just a few years ago and we were in a new rented Nissan Altima wearing Ties and White shirts.
To assume their anger is unwarranted is to ignore the facts. Yes things have improved, but to have a Masters degree, a good job, good kids and still live in fear of the police, is a daily realism for people with dark skin.
By the way, if someone could get the GOP Nomination that had the same attitudes and rhetoric as Dwight Eisenhower, I would vote for them today. That's some old GOP rhetoric I can support.
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04-05-12 11:38 PM - Post#147770
In response to carygold
That wasn't really a response to our discussion. The point was being made that Sharpton and Jackson are divisive in their rhetoric. They only serve to push us further apart. If your ok with that, then that's fine. However, it certainly slows down progress.
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04-06-12 12:40 AM - Post#147771
In response to lostyankee
Oh please. Paranoia at its finest. You have no way to prove this. How many black men in hoodies walk around and get shot? One comes to mind. This guy is just an example of an overzealous moron. Hate exists all over (as my other link suggests) but to make such a preposterous claim...
Sure racism still exists, but it's not only a southern issue. The fact that there is outrage from all quarters proves your point false even more. As I mentioned, go back 40 years and examine the Emmitt Till case. Now fast forward to today.
I'm not talking about hoodies, just the treatment in general.
You might ask why right here in nice neighborhoods, black parents tell their son's the police will kill you, if you are not careful.
Just do a search for "unarmed blacks shot by police," and see if some the cases you find are like the Emmitt Till case...I don't think your 40 year argument holds much water.
Steven Eugene Washington, who's only crime was being autistic, but he was shot to death that was 2010.
Kenneth Chamberlain, Sr. an unarmed chronically ill 68 year old black man who was shot to death in his own home. The man accidentally set off his medial alert while sleeping, he was shot in front of his son because he refused to open his door...Nov. 2011
Amadou Diallo, unarmed sitting on his own steps, shot 19 times for grabbing his wallet...1999
Timothy Stansbury Jr, unarmed killed in his own stairwell doing nothing...2004
Orlando Barlow, shot during an arrest by officers that called themselves the Baby Daddy Removal Team.
Aaron Campbell, shot with his hands on his head....2005
Oscar Grant, unarmed, shot in custody...2009
I think there was one conviction, 11 months served for all 7 people that were killed.
One might say Sharpton and Jackson have a foundation for their argument, whether people agree or not.
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04-06-12 06:15 AM - Post#147774
In response to mgrayar
I just believe that if Martin Luther King were alive today that he would not be calling for blacks to take to the streets in violence if they didn't think justice was served to their liking.
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04-06-12 07:57 AM - Post#147776
In response to asmile4u
I just believe that if Martin Luther King were alive today that he would not be calling for blacks to take to the streets in violence if they didn't think justice was served to their liking.
Who is calling for violence?
I listened to Jackson a second time, all Jesse Jackson said is to vote, "if you have a hoodie and you don't have a registration card, you have been hoodie-winked, everyone needs to register to vote and everyone needs to get out and vote."
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04-06-12 08:06 AM - Post#147777
In response to carygold
I just believe that if Martin Luther King were alive today that he would not be calling for blacks to take to the streets in violence if they didn't think justice was served to their liking.
Who is calling for violence?
I listened to Jackson a second time, all Jesse Jackson said is to vote, "if you have a hoodie and you don't have a registration card, you have been hoodie-winked, everyone needs to register to vote and everyone needs to get out and vote."
Cary, you just don't say it as mean and threatening as a black man.
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