Carygold... I honestly do agree with you that all that matters is what happened. I take that further to say that all that matters is what is proven by evidence in court. The only "Fact" we know is that the kid is dead and shot by Zimmerman. We don't know anything else for a fact. The white Hispanic thing is being used by the media to rile up everyone in my opinion. For instance... why would the idiot speaker for the black panthers even say they don't follow the white man laws if a "white man" is not involved? I believe that this case should be looked at without regard to the color of either person and only the facts. Unfortunately we know that won't happen.

How do you know this: "The police assumed Martins guilt, they tested Martin's dead body for drugs and alcohol, but they did not test Zimmerman's." I'm assuming you read that somewhere but what was their source? Police report, state's attorney, coroner? I haven't seen anywhere, anything about the evidence that was collected or what tests were run. Also, I did read that the investigator wanted to arrest Zimmerman but was told not to by the state's attorney due to lack of evidence. They cuffed him and took him to the station where I'm sure his clothes were tested for blood, his blood was tested for drugs and alcohol, and other tests were run on him.

Cary, have you ever seem something that looked suspicious that ended up not being suspicious?

I'm not commenting on Zimmerman's actions. His actions are being investigated and I'll wait for that evidence.

I'm talking about the purposeful actions of the media since day one of this case. It has been nothing but revolting. The story is bad enough without the media trying to shape it.

• mgrayar Said:

Of course, I have seen something that looked suspicious, just a few weeks ago. I saw two kids standing on the side of my home, 13 to 15 years old. I was driving up to my house when I saw them. There were two other kids leaning against my mail box. It turned out one of them was getting a soccer ball from between the air conditioners. It was nothing. I just said hello to them.

I don't think you can blame the whole media for this, even if a report or two was skewed, especially when a network is publicly doing its own investigation.

Most people can see the the truth. Zimmerman was overzealous, accused a kid of being on drugs and acting crazy, when the kid was just talking to his girl friend and eating skittles. You don't talk to your girlfriend while braking and entering into other peoples homes.

You're assuming that Zimmerman is telling the truth. I think most people know he was not and Zimmerman's history is showing he is a violent person, one case of attacking a police officer.

I think its sad a young man is dead by gunfire and no one is arrested, and you're not concerned with that, I don't get it.

Cary, that was an ignorant comment you made at the end there. You are better than that.

I have never said I believe Zimmerman. Nor have I said I believe the media that is trying to shape the story.

All I have said is that there are conflicting reports. The reports coming from credible sources tend to lean towards the fact that we don't have all the information. Until we do, I am reserving judgement.

You want to paint me as a Zimmerman supporter because I am rational enough to know that there are facts unknown to anyone but those within the investigation. You want to paint me as uncarring about Trayvon, but that's just your way of saying that if I don't agree with you I must be a bad person. You want anyone who is still open minded on this to feel like they are abandoning care for a boy, but that could not be further from the truth.

I do not know what happened. I am honest enough to admit that, and willing to be patient until the facts are made available.

I have said many times in this thread that I think it is a very unfortunate situation and if Zimmerman did what you believe he did, I hope he gets the harshest penalty available.

Of course, it's your right to lie about me if you feel necessary, but I will also continue to point out your lies.

• civicminded Said:

Considering you don't read anything or watch anything I can see why...

If you get time in your busy day try reading this...
White Hispanic and Latino Americans

Be nice, not naughty. And I was about to comment on your true remark about racism in all colors, AND that we don't know what happened in this case. That;s why it should be left alone, and folks should only discuss their views on the type of incident, rather than the actual one.

"I don't care what actually happened until Zimmerman is arrested, over 30 days since someone was killed and no arrest has been made.
When did our country go back to being the Wild Wild West?
When did an average citizen get to kill people without a trial?"

You left one out... When did the average citizen get to convict people without a trial or fully evaluating the evidence?

That seems to be what is happening.

Before anyone comments... I agree that the kid did not get a trial before he was shot. However, we don't know what happened and we should wait to find out.

I don't know how many people actually know each other on here but hopefully we can remain above the mobs and media and debate this peacefully. I'm sure it is easy to pick out who I am based on past posts as someone said they could identify another person that way. Let's just debate and air opinions. Keep it friendly... as friendly as possible.

I may be a "newbie" by this boards standards but not to heated discussions by a long shot.

• AllenConsumer Said:

Throughout American history when one person shoots another, a trial was held and if the reason is self defense then that was to be proven in court. With a stand your ground law, that process is eliminated. The Sanford Police and Legal Departments get to resolve the case, as they did, that Zimmerman was standing his ground without a trial. The protests stem from the facts that Zimmerman may have been lying and TM did not get his day in court, albeit posthumously.

The first step in the process is to arrest Zimmerman and charge him for shooting an unarmed person. That never happened, although Zimmerman was held for many hours for questioning.

The reason the African American community is upset is that they feel if this was, Mitt Romney's son for example, there would have be an arrest, an investigation and most likely charges followed by a court trial, but the legal system does not protect young black men equally. There are few investigations into young black male killings regardless who pulls the trigger.

You can agree or disagree with their point of view, but that is their point of view.