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Username Post: Surprised nobody is weighing in on Trayvon Martin        (Topic#19689)
asmile4u 
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04-02-12 10:44 PM - Post#147541    
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http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&am; p;q=49%...

I searched but couldn't find where you were as much outraged about 49 murdered in Chicago in one weekend, including a 6 year old little girl caught in a crossfire between two rival gangs. Where was the national media outrage?
Last year there were 240 children murdered in Texas by child abuse. That's almost 5 a week. Where's the national media outrage?
If there is an arrest and trial, and Zimmerman is found innocent, we'll still be back at square one and you and many others still won't be satisfied.


Edited by asmile4u on 04-03-12 05:46 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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04-03-12 06:09 AM - Post#147547    
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From GMA on ABC

http://www.yahoo.com/_ylt=AhHCh3XI2.yslTz40yh.QM2b...


 
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04-03-12 08:12 AM - Post#147551    
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  • Jeremy Said:
You are correct that we cannot have a trial until someone is arrested and charged with a crime. I agree that point. Why do you say the whole thing was dropped after a few hours? If it was dropped why are the police still investigating? As for the federal government being involved… I’m pretty sure that they are only able to get involved if it is determined to be a hate crime which falls into their jurisdiction. The hate crime would be defined if it is proven that he said F****n’ C***e like they keep trying to determine. They cannot simply step in and prosecute this guy if it is only determined that he is an idiot that shot a kid for no reason.

Obviously you have a deeper insight into this whole incident since you are positive that there will not be a trial. I’m pretty sure that there will be a trial trying to get something on him… even if it is only discharging a firearm within a certain distance from a school. Personally I believe his attorney is taking a huge risk because they have already said that the Stand Your Ground Law does not apply to this case. They are simply going for self-defense from everything I have read.

After the Casey Anthony fiasco I would hope that prosecutors would take their time and choose the correct crime that they can charge a person with that they can be convicted of. In her trial it seemed that the prosecutor tried to convict her of a crime, though deserving, was a reach based on the evidence. The jury members even said in post-trial interviews that if it would have been a lesser charge they would have convicted but there was too much reasonable doubt to convict on the greater charge. They need to make sure this one is done right.




The police are not investigating, they and their chief have been asked to stand down. The State and Federal governments are investigating. The Feds are looking at a possible hate crime, one has not been determined at this time.

I don't care if the hate crime comes into it or not I just want this case in a court room.

INTERESTING Note:

Due to the stand your ground law, Zimmerman cannot be tried, he cannot be charged and he cannot be sued. So the parents of Trayvon Martin have no civil recourse either.

However, as reported on NPR, the parents of Trayvon Martin can sue the Homeowners Association for using Zimmerman in their neighborhood watch.



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04-03-12 08:24 AM - Post#147552    
    In response to asmile4u

  • asmile4u Said:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&am; p;q=49%...

I searched but couldn't find where you were as much outraged about 49 murdered in Chicago in one weekend, including a 6 year old little girl caught in a crossfire between two rival gangs. Where was the national media outrage?
Last year there were 240 children murdered in Texas by child abuse. That's almost 5 a week. Where's the national media outrage?
If there is an arrest and trial, and Zimmerman is found innocent, we'll still be back at square one and you and many others still won't be satisfied.



Because White America would have to look at their own history and what they've done to these people to determine why Black on Black crime has become so prevalent. We could begin with the way they were integrated into our society and that would be a major black eye. We could look at Ollie North and the CIA who purposefully produced and distributed crack cocaine within the inner cities on a population we didn't seem to care about even as late as the 70's and 80's. This traitorous act gave us militant street gangs used to distribute the lucrative drugs that devastated so many lives. We could even go back to our days of infecting Black men with syphilis just to see it's untreated affects on humans.

Gosh, why would this segment of our society have so little hope for the future that they could literally lash out on each other? Racism isn't gone and neither is the self loathing that results from it. I guess in a nutshell, this sums up why we don't cry from the mountaintops over Black on Black crime. The screams simply echo back in our direction.
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04-03-12 08:52 AM - Post#147553    
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I’m one of those strange people that are open to new information if it is based on facts and evidence. So, if you can tell me where the information came from I’ll check it out. “The police are not investigating, they and their chief have been asked to stand down.“ Who asked them to step down? Each state is different and it looks like in FL the State Attorneys prosecute all crimes. State Attorney Norm Wolfinger is the person they claim told the police not to charge Zimmerman. He either stepped down or was replaced by Angela Corey who is now running the prosecution investigation with the interim police chief. Why would the police chief step down temporarily if they were not going to pursue the investigation? Looks like Corey is taking something to a grand jury around April 10. We will find out more then. “The Feds are looking at a possible hate crime, one has not been determined at this time.” That is exactly what I said previously so it looks we are on the same page with this at least. I’m not sure about this one… “Due to the stand your ground law, Zimmerman cannot be tried, he cannot be charged and he cannot be sued.“ Even Zimmerman’s attorney has said that law does not apply in this case.

 
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04-03-12 09:27 AM - Post#147558    
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Oliver North produced crack cocaine? I was not aware.
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04-03-12 09:30 AM - Post#147559    
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  • mgrayar Said:
Oliver North produced crack cocaine? I was not aware.



Oliver North and the CIA used the proceeds from the sale of crack cocaine within the inner cities of the US to fund the purchase of weapons for a war the public was not supposed to know about. That all became public long ago.
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04-03-12 09:33 AM - Post#147560    
    In response to asmile4u

  • asmile4u Said:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&am; p;q=49%...

I searched but couldn't find where you were as much outraged about 49 murdered in Chicago in one weekend, including a 6 year old little girl caught in a crossfire between two rival gangs. Where was the national media outrage?
Last year there were 240 children murdered in Texas by child abuse. That's almost 5 a week. Where's the national media outrage?
If there is an arrest and trial, and Zimmerman is found innocent, we'll still be back at square one and you and many others still won't be satisfied.



This is a distraction from the current issue. It is meant to belittle, an trivialize the death of one person by pointing at how many die everyday. In case you can't see it the piece is also racist so what does that say about you for posting it?

You make assumptions as to what would be satisfying in this case. I think Zimmerman should be in jail, he went beyond his duties as a "Watch" person, and someone died. However, IF there is a trail and Zimmerman is found not guilty, then there was due process. It is all anyone is asking for in this case. Your accusations again have a racist tone to them.

I would bet you money there is NO ONE, not one single person associated with the Illinois Review, is doing anything about the deaths they describe in Chicago, and unless they are going to get involved they should really just shut the hell up. Its hypocritical to point out injustice and not really care about it. Their tone points to a group of racists posting fodder to divide people by skin color.

And finally, this has nothing to do with Obama. The accusation that this is fodder to get Obama re-elected is just more right wing "cry baby," finger pointing... racism. Why are you opposed to a trial for the death of a human, is it because he's black, because your posting seems to point at that attitude.

Get this straight ...
The issue is about a human being being killed with no trial. Since historically this has been the case when young black men are killed, regardless who pulls the trigger, people are justifiably angered. Yes, there is black on black crime, but the police sweep it under the rug too. The case with Trayvon Martin is where a line is being drawn and maybe other kids, like those in Chicago, will benefit from this protest.

Can you not see how racist that posting of yours is... are you that blind?
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Edited by carygold on 04-03-12 09:36 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
MissingChico 
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04-03-12 09:36 AM - Post#147561    
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The White Right hails Oliver North as some form of hero, yet they choose to ignore the well documented fact he was the primary contributor to the introduction of crack cocaine in this country. There are documented ties between North and Bin Laden as well.
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04-03-12 09:53 AM - Post#147563    
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As others have previously noted, you are extremely assumptive and over reacctive. You never give anyone fair consideration or any benefit of the doubt that what they write is anything but a bold faced racial implied lie and they're stupid for posting it. How can there be any discussion with that attitude. I'm staying away from you. No wonder there are those who have left.


 
mgrayar 
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04-03-12 10:08 AM - Post#147564    
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Cary, a trial has not been ruled out. You seem to completely ignore that this is a process. You ignore that there is evidence and reports coming from police and eye witnesses that dispute the medias representation of the events. You also ignore that the media is now coming forward and admitting their reports were wrong or purposely deceitful in some circumstances. All this information must be verified and investigated.

Let the process play out. I truly feel you will see a trial.
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04-03-12 10:23 AM - Post#147567    
    In response to MissingChico

  • MissingChico Said:
  • mgrayar Said:
Oliver North produced crack cocaine? I was not aware.



Oliver North and the CIA used the proceeds from the sale of crack cocaine within the inner cities of the US to fund the purchase of weapons for a war the public was not supposed to know about. That all became public long ago.


Ah, I read your line:
  • Chico Said:
We could look at Ollie North and the CIA who purposefully produced and distributed crack cocaine within the inner cities on a population we didn't seem to care about even as late as the 70's and 80's.


A little differently. I see.
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04-03-12 10:38 AM - Post#147571    
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Great cartoon touching on this subject.

http://www.caglecartoons.com/viewimage.asp?ID={9D5...
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carygold 
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04-03-12 10:46 AM - Post#147572    
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  • mgrayar Said:
Cary, a trial has not been ruled out. You seem to completely ignore that this is a process. You ignore that there is evidence and reports coming from police and eye witnesses that dispute the medias representation of the events. You also ignore that the media is now coming forward and admitting their reports were wrong or purposely deceitful in some circumstances. All this information must be verified and investigated.

Let the process play out. I truly feel you will see a trial.



And you and others seem to ignore, or you somehow just don't realize, this issue was dead until it became news.

Zimmerman was set free, it was over. It took media attention to get an investigation.
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04-03-12 11:06 AM - Post#147573    
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  • asmile4u Said:
As others have previously noted, you are extremely assumptive and over reacctive. You never give anyone fair consideration or any benefit of the doubt that what they write is anything but a bold faced racial implied lie and they're stupid for posting it. How can there be any discussion with that attitude. I'm staying away from you. No wonder there are those who have left.



These are the words you linked to....

  • Quote:

Bryant said he worries that “people like Sharpton and those on the left” will make Martin’s death a campaign issue in the presidential race.

He speculated that they will “turn this evolving tragedy of this young man into fodder to say… if you don’t re-elect Obama then you will have unbridled events or circumstances like this happening in the streets to young men wearing hoodies.”



Those sentences are racist rhetoric. That's not an opinion that is what they are.

It is not constructive criticism, nor is it a conversation. It is divisive and hateful.

Yes, I am passionate that we stop racism in this country on any people. The fact black on black crime is so bad can be traced right back to the fact that police don't care.

If you know any African American's ask them... they will tell you. They worry that their son's will be killed on the streets, even in good neighborhoods like the one in Sanford, Florida. Black families have a thing called "the talk." with their sons about being careful on the streets especially around law enforcement. Why is that?

Ask them... I dare you?

If you have something constructive to add or you want to debate the issues that's fine, but when you post racist rhetoric, I'm going to tell you that's is what it is and if you don't like it you can leave...
If CEO's increased their pay at the same rate as Average Americans
their pay would average $1,384,890 not $10,621,000


Edited by carygold on 04-03-12 11:06 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Jeremy 
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04-03-12 11:27 AM - Post#147575    
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So... since the white state attorney and the white local police chief were replaced with a black state attorney and a black interim police chief... will justice be better served? Will the black community accept the findings of them? If they decide the evidence justifies charging him with a crime and taking it to trial, I know I will support that since they are professionals. Likewise, if they decide that there is not enough evidence to charge him with a crime then I will also support that. We just need to wait and see how this plays out. There will be a resolution that is a guarantee. Whether people view it as justice or not, that is up to them.

A person is entitled to their point of view on this board. I don't think anyone is posting anything hateful intentionally but you can never be sure how a message will be received. However, calling someone a racist because their view is not the same as yours or you don't like their message... can only be taken one way.

 
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04-03-12 11:43 AM - Post#147577    
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  • Jeremy Said:
So... since the white state attorney and the white local police chief were replaced with a black state attorney and a black interim police chief... will justice be better served? Will the black community accept the findings of them? If they decide the evidence justifies charging him with a crime and taking it to trial, I know I will support that since they are professionals. Likewise, if they decide that there is not enough evidence to charge him with a crime then I will also support that. We just need to wait and see how this plays out. There will be a resolution that is a guarantee. Whether people view it as justice or not, that is up to them.

A person is entitled to their point of view on this board. I don't think anyone is posting anything hateful intentionally but you can never be sure how a message will be received. However, calling someone a racist because their view is not the same as yours or you don't like their message... can only be taken one way.




I did not call anyone a racist, I said her posting is a racist posting. I really don't think people know sometimes that what is said, about Black leaders, is actually racist. Al Sharpton is concerned about decades of racism.

I don't think anyone cares if the new people researching the Zimmerman case are black or not, they just want it investigated. But it is time that when a young black man is killed that we stop sweeping it under the rug.

Did you see the coverage of the book "To kill a Mockingbird." People actually thought black people were stupid, and God meant for them to be servants. That was just 1960.

This case has nothing to do with Obama or his re-election. Obama cannot change what is happening in Florida, Obama cannot end racism regardless how many terms he is in office.

But we can stop posting divisive comments by ignorant people. Trivializing the death of Trayvon Martion will not resolve what people feel in their heart.
If CEO's increased their pay at the same rate as Average Americans
their pay would average $1,384,890 not $10,621,000


Edited by carygold on 04-03-12 11:44 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
mgrayar 
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04-03-12 11:52 AM - Post#147578    
    In response to carygold

  • carygold Said:
  • mgrayar Said:
Cary, a trial has not been ruled out. You seem to completely ignore that this is a process. You ignore that there is evidence and reports coming from police and eye witnesses that dispute the medias representation of the events. You also ignore that the media is now coming forward and admitting their reports were wrong or purposely deceitful in some circumstances. All this information must be verified and investigated.

Let the process play out. I truly feel you will see a trial.



And you and others seem to ignore, or you somehow just don't realize, this issue was dead until it became news.

Zimmerman was set free, it was over. It took media attention to get an investigation.


Do we actually know that, or is that an assumption. I have not seen anything that tells me the investigation was closed and reopened due to pressure. If that's the case, good job media.
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04-03-12 12:08 PM - Post#147580    
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I don’t know what “coverage” of the book you are writing about. Did they actually use that on the news story or an article? However… the book was written in 1960, not based in 1960. “The plot and characters are loosely based on the author's observations of her family and neighbors, as well as on an event that occurred near her hometown in 1936, when she was 10 years old.” Kind of how Avatar was released in 2009, not based in 2009.

When did Obama’s re-election come into this?

Since I personally don’t know anyone in here I cannot say there are ignorant people posting things. In my experience, people that are able to post under a screen name or anonymously will say the most random things without regard to others and you can’t always judge them based on that. However, if someone making “ignorant” postings is your neighbor… call him/her what you want.


 
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04-03-12 12:10 PM - Post#147581    
    In response to mgrayar

  • mgrayar Said:
  • carygold Said:
  • mgrayar Said:
Cary, a trial has not been ruled out. You seem to completely ignore that this is a process. You ignore that there is evidence and reports coming from police and eye witnesses that dispute the medias representation of the events. You also ignore that the media is now coming forward and admitting their reports were wrong or purposely deceitful in some circumstances. All this information must be verified and investigated.

Let the process play out. I truly feel you will see a trial.



And you and others seem to ignore, or you somehow just don't realize, this issue was dead until it became news.

Zimmerman was set free, it was over. It took media attention to get an investigation.


Do we actually know that, or is that an assumption. I have not seen anything that tells me the investigation was closed and reopened due to pressure. If that's the case, good job media.



That's the whole complaint... this happened February 26th. It was over when Zimmerman was released by order of the States Attorney's office lead by Norman Worfinger, case closed, Zimmerman was standing his ground. That was the same day.
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